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On Jul 22, 5:24�am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
> >>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
> >>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. �It is well
> >>>>>>>>>>> documented.
> >>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
> >>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
> >>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
> >>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. �What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
> >>>>>>>> atheism?
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> So what is the matter? �Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. �They will
> >>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
> >>>>>>> they were.
> >>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
> >>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? �Now, back onto the question
> >>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
> >>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
> >>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
> >>>>> Stalin was an atheist. �His values and beliefs were much like yours
> >>>>> are today.
> >>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>> Torquemada was a christian. �His values and beliefs were much like
> >>>> yours are today. �And you're doing your best to make us all see the
> >>>> point of shooting christians. �You really are.
> >>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. �Pol Pot was just an
> >>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
> >>> dictator.
> >> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
> >> What does atheism have to do with it?
>
> > Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
> > was being an atheist.
>
> Why?
>
Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.
Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.
Robert B. Winn