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Article #11937Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:56
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:56
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On Jul 22, 1:02�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 20, 11:51 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 20, 2:17 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > >>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >>>> On Jul 19, 3:31 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 18, 5:48 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:51 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:45 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:31 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 8:36 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:21 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:40 am, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2:54 pm, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your analysis, Peter. I was merely expanding on a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement from an atheist to show where it was leading: Atheists do > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe anything. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not true, we believe you're a fuckin' moron... We even have > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to take that as an article of faith. The evidence isn't > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compelling. We do have evidence that he's a liar. So he could be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acting incredibly stupid, or more likely be stupid, it's impossible to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell. But the evidence for lies is overwhelming. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we believe he's as stupid as dog shit. But we have evidence, and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thus no need of faith, that he's a liar. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand your point, but I believe we have overwhelming evidence of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both. Bobby is a classic newsgroup troll who desparately craves > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention. Lying is an excellent way to get attention, although it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally means suffering considerable ridicule and insult in the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I also believe he's rather unintelligent (as most newsgroup trolls > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tend to be). He has shown a remarkable inability to absorb and integrate > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new information presented to him. There's no indication he reads > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything outside of the few newsgroups he spends countless hours posting > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in. And he has shown a breathtaking lack of self awareness and maturity, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether about his ridiculous physics kookiness or his puerile religious > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. Taken together these point to someone suffering from mental > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illness combined with a serious cognitive impairment, or as I prefer to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think of it, he's a fuckin' moron... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I'll agree it's a good summary. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong statement, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al. �You are agreeing with someone who has a weak mind. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being upset about a select set of simple sounds is strange to me. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is such a non-issue for grown-ups, I'm far more interested in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ideas conveyed by the words. You're using the profanity to ignore > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do not have a point. �You are using various ideas as an excuse to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use profanity. � It would be more honest to just leave out the ideas > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have the profanity by itself. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What an odd idea. I don't believe profanity needs an excuse, it's simply > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a language feature that can be leveraged just like any other. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is still conveyed, often more forcefully. If it makes you > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uncomfortable and lets you avoid the point being made, then I'd have > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought you'd have been grateful for the "out"! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is being profane dishonest? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really quite normal. Even among the religious.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not quite normal. �I get tired of atheists who can be totally > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprofane except when they are talking to me. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take it somewhere else. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like some cheese with that whine? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't like how atheists are talking to you, you can certainly > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> snip our newsgroup out of your headers. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The behavior of atheists can be changed. �I just go ahead and change > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Pride is a sin. > >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that is correct. > >>>>>>>>>> So, you just sinned. > >>>>>>>>> In what way did I sin? > >>>>>>>> Imagining that you have the ability to change atheists. �The sin? �Pride. > >>>>>>> I do not imagine anything. �I just do things. > >>>>>> Sorry, but you're still imagining. �Name me one atheist that you've > >>>>>> "changed". > >>>>> All atheists with whom I have spoken have changed. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> Yes. �They all now have an abiding distrust of anything a christian > >>>> says. > >>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > >>> Well, no, Al, they see the problem with atheism. �Remember, Al, the > >>> principle of repentance is available to atheists the same as everyone > >>> else. > >> What problem with atheism?- Hide quoted text - > > > Atheists deny the existence of God and Jesus Christ. > > How's that a problem?- Hide quoted text - > Well, it is not my problem. Robert B. Winn
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