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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#11937
From: rbwinn
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:56
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On Jul 22, 1:02�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 20, 11:51 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 20, 2:17 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>> On Jul 19, 3:31 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 18, 5:48 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:51 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:45 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:31 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 8:36 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:21 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:43 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:40 am, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2:54 pm, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your analysis, Peter. I was merely expanding on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement from an atheist to show where it was leading: Atheists do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe anything.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not true, we believe you're a fuckin' moron... We even have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to take that as an article of faith. The evidence isn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compelling. We do have evidence that he's a liar. So he could be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acting incredibly stupid, or more likely be stupid, it's impossible to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell. But the evidence for lies is overwhelming.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we believe he's as stupid as dog shit. But we have evidence, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thus no need of faith, that he's a liar.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand your point, but I believe we have overwhelming evidence of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both. Bobby is a classic newsgroup troll who desparately craves
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention. Lying is an excellent way to get attention, although it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally means suffering considerable ridicule and insult in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I also believe he's rather unintelligent (as most newsgroup trolls
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tend to be). He has shown a remarkable inability to absorb and integrate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new information presented to him. There's no indication he reads
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything outside of the few newsgroups he spends countless hours posting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in. And he has shown a breathtaking lack of self awareness and maturity,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether about his ridiculous physics kookiness or his puerile religious
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. Taken together these point to someone suffering from mental
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illness combined with a serious cognitive impairment, or as I prefer to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think of it, he's a fuckin' moron...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I'll agree it's a good summary.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong statement,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al. �You are agreeing with someone who has a weak mind.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being upset about a select set of simple sounds is strange to me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is such a non-issue for grown-ups, I'm far more interested in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ideas conveyed by the words. You're using the profanity to ignore
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do not have a point. �You are using various ideas as an excuse to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use profanity. � It would be more honest to just leave out the ideas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have the profanity by itself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What an odd idea. I don't believe profanity needs an excuse, it's simply
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a language feature that can be leveraged just like any other.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is still conveyed, often more forcefully. If it makes you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uncomfortable and lets you avoid the point being made, then I'd have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought you'd have been grateful for the "out"!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is being profane dishonest?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really quite normal. Even among the religious.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not quite normal. �I get tired of atheists who can be totally
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unprofane except when they are talking to me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take it somewhere else.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like some cheese with that whine?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't like how atheists are talking to you, you can certainly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> snip our newsgroup out of your headers.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The behavior of atheists can be changed. �I just go ahead and change
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Pride is a sin.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that is correct.
> >>>>>>>>>> So, you just sinned.
> >>>>>>>>> In what way did I sin?
> >>>>>>>> Imagining that you have the ability to change atheists. �The sin? �Pride.
> >>>>>>> I do not imagine anything. �I just do things.
> >>>>>> Sorry, but you're still imagining. �Name me one atheist that you've
> >>>>>> "changed".
> >>>>> All atheists with whom I have spoken have changed.
> >>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>> Yes. �They all now have an abiding distrust of anything a christian
> >>>> says.
> >>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>> Well, no, Al, they see the problem with atheism. �Remember, Al, the
> >>> principle of repentance is available to atheists the same as everyone
> >>> else.
> >> What problem with atheism?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Atheists deny the existence of God and Jesus Christ.
>
> How's that a problem?- Hide quoted text -
>

Well, it is not my problem.
Robert B. Winn
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From: rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:56:20 -0700 (PDT)
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