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On Jul 27, 3:10 pm, "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> skrev i en
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> > On Jul 25, 3:33 am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >> "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in
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> >> > On Jul 24, 5:56 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >> >> Alex W. wrote:
> >> >> > "BuddyThunder" <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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> >> >> >> There is no sin. It's a silly idea that you haven't been able to
> >> >> >> back
> >> >> >> up
> >> >> >> at all. I just believe that people should be free to go about their
> >> >> >> lives
> >> >> >> free of inexplicable religious bigotry. If you don't think you fall
> >> >> >> into
> >> >> >> that category, then explain yourself. Otherwise worry about your
> >> >> >> own
> >> >> >> failings before the perceived ones of others.
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> >> >> > Sorry, mate, you're wrong on this one.
> >> >> > There is sin.
> >> >> > Sin is an infraction of the moral code; it is a social construct.
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> >> >> I disagree. Some people would see me as sinful, I would just go with
> >> >> immoral when I fall short of my own values.
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> >> > Which would gel with sin being the social construct.  It's a loaded
> >> > word though.  Everyone has their own meaning and inferences, so I
> >> > suggest we use other more concise words.
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> >> What would you suggest by way of alternatives?
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> >> I actually think that a great many people nowadays see "sin" no longer in
> >> strictly religious terms.  Eating a Mars bar or binging on double
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> >> chip ice cream is regarded as "sinful", or fly-tipping your household
> >> rubbish.
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> >> Words are often loaded one way or another -- but that can and does
> >> change.
> >> Not too long ago, "gay" was a perfectly innocent cheerful word gambolling
> >> along the byways of the English language.  Ditto homosexuality: we may
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> >> find it particularly tasteful when having our faces thrust in it, but
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> >> of us no longer regard this sexual orientation as a sin in either the
> >> religious or the secular sense.
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> > Well, considering the context, I would avoid using the term and be
> > more specific, due to theists often jumping on meanings hidden
> > insentences that were never intended etc etc.
> > Yes, "Sin"  has come into more generalised use esp in regards to food
> > consumption.  But in this case it's more of a case of self-destructive
> > behaviour and not counter-moralistic.  Again, I think being specific
> > is useful.
> > And technically I was arguing that "sin" is a social construct.  Not
> > religious, but that using the term in a discussion between atheists
> > and theists might lead to miscommunication.
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> > Al
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The minds of theists are clouded, holding their ancient book to guide
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