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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 22, 5:24�am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 21, 8:39 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 21, 7:16 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 21, 5:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 7:54 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34 am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. So you are saying that Stalin did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union. �It is well
>>>>>>>>>>>>> documented.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
>>>>>>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
>>>>>>>>>> Don't change the subject. �What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
>>>>>>>>>> atheism?
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> So what is the matter? �Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists. �They will
>>>>>>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
>>>>>>>>> they were.
>>>>>>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
>>>>>>>> Because what they did is irrelevant to me? �Now, back onto the question
>>>>>>>> you are REFUSING to answer:
>>>>>>>> What has what Stalin tried to do ("tried to stamp out religion in the
>>>>>>>> Soviet Union") relevant to atheism?
>>>>>>> Stalin was an atheist. �His values and beliefs were much like yours
>>>>>>> are today.
>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>> Torquemada was a christian. �His values and beliefs were much like
>>>>>> yours are today. �And you're doing your best to make us all see the
>>>>>> point of shooting christians. �You really are.
>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> Well, let's talk about those feelings, Al. �Pol Pot was just an
>>>>> unassuming atheistic school teacher until he became a Communist
>>>>> dictator.
>>>> So, really, aren't you talking about communism and totalitarianism?
>>>> What does atheism have to do with it?
>>> Under World Communism one of the pre-requisites for being a dictator
>>> was being an atheist.
>> Why?
>>
> Because Karl Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.

And...?

> Religious people were not allowed to be Communist dictators.

Cite?


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