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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#11997
From: BuddyThunder
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:06
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 20, 11:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) wrote:
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>>> On Jul 21, 12:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
>>>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
>>>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
>>>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not
>>>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
>>>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
>>>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
>>>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
>>>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union.  It is well
>>>>>>>> documented.
>>>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
>>>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
>>>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
>>>>> Don't change the subject.  What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
>>>>> atheism?
>>>>> --
>>>> So what is the matter?  Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists.  They will
>>>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
>>>> they were.
>>>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>> Yes.  Personal responsibility.  I'm not Pol Pot, nor am I Joseph
>>> Stalin.  Nor do they represent normal atheists.
>>> If you want to take responsibility for all crimes committed by
>>> religious people, feel free.  There's plenty butchers in that camp.
>> Exactly, I never really understood the smear campaigns. I am only
>> responsible for my own actions, a responsibility I happily accept. I
>> cannot be held responsible for atrocities committed before I was born,
>> no matter how similar the perp's worldview is to mine.
>>
>> I've never killed anyone, and I don't intend to.- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> That is very commendable.  Pol Pot was just an unassuming person also
> until he became a Communist dictator.

It didn't work with Joseph Stalin, it won't work with Pol Pot.

You are religiously insane. I won't compare you to any historical 
figure, as it's pointless and irrelevant. I'll just state the assertion 
and cite this thread as evidence.
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