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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: rbwinn
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:50
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On Jul 21, 7:44 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 21, 6:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 20, 3:05 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 20, 10:19 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:d56410cf-c39e-4de7-9b1a-51ae24806393@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 3:35 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:49 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a satanist,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bobbie?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a god of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love, who in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all history.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you find to be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evil?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the teachings of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus? What,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins. That would include
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is necessary
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven. That includes the sin of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin. Unless you can find where it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do. There is no one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people. What
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota. Why on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem. I said that you are able to tell
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin. If you say you cannot tell it is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sin,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow atheist
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Josef
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people. He was just born that way like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your wacky
> >>>>>>>>>>>> myths.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> centre.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior. So is killing 12 million people.
> >>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is not immoral.
> >>>>>>>>> Explain it to Jesus Christ. It does not have anything to do with me.
> >>>>>>>> This is a neat trick.
> >>>>>>>> Your religion has allowed you to disavow any responsibility for your
> >>>>>>>> bigotry.
> >>>>>>>> ...and because it's a religious opinion, it automatically gets more
> >>>>>>>> respect than it deserves.
> >>>>>>>> You can hold the vilest of opinions, and never have to back them up at
> >>>>>>>> all.
> >>>>>>>> Genius!- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>> That's how religion works.
> >>>>>> It gives people excuses to behave atrociously, all in the name of God.
> >>>>>> So immoral.
> >>>>>>> If you do not like it, complain to Jesus Christ.  He told us to stay
> >>>>>>> out of homosexuality.
> >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>> Please quote the part of the New Testament where he does that.
> >>>>>> Or go back and read your bible properly.
> >>>>> Matthew 7:21`  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
> >>>>> enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my
> >>>>> Father which is in heaven.
> >>>> Sorry, but I see nothing there that says that Jesus tells us to "stay
> >>>> out of homosexuality".
> >>> Well, then find out for yourself if it means to stay out of
> >>> homosexuality.
> >> How would I go about doing that?
>
> > I don't care how you find out.  All I can do is tell you what it
> > means.
>
> So, you can't back up your assertions.
>
> Color me unsurprised.

Well, I am sure you will try to prove me wrong.
Robert B. Winn
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From: rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:50:50 -0700 (PDT)
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