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Article #12012Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:50
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:50
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On Jul 21, 7:44 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 21, 6:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 20, 3:05 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 20, 10:19 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>news:d56410cf-c39e-4de7-9b1a-51ae24806393@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 3:35 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:49 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a satanist, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bobbie? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do not > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a god of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love, who in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all history. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you find to be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evil? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the teachings of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus? What, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins. That would include > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is necessary > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven. That includes the sin of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin. Unless you can find where it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do. There is no one > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people. What > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota. Why on > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem. I said that you are able to tell > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin. If you say you cannot tell it is a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sin, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't think > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of any > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow atheist > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Josef > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people. He was just born that way like > >>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right? > >>>>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your wacky > >>>>>>>>>>>> myths. > >>>>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right and > >>>>>>>>>>>> centre.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior. So is killing 12 million people. > >>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is not immoral. > >>>>>>>>> Explain it to Jesus Christ. It does not have anything to do with me. > >>>>>>>> This is a neat trick. > >>>>>>>> Your religion has allowed you to disavow any responsibility for your > >>>>>>>> bigotry. > >>>>>>>> ...and because it's a religious opinion, it automatically gets more > >>>>>>>> respect than it deserves. > >>>>>>>> You can hold the vilest of opinions, and never have to back them up at > >>>>>>>> all. > >>>>>>>> Genius!- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> That's how religion works. > >>>>>> It gives people excuses to behave atrociously, all in the name of God. > >>>>>> So immoral. > >>>>>>> If you do not like it, complain to Jesus Christ. He told us to stay > >>>>>>> out of homosexuality. > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>> Please quote the part of the New Testament where he does that. > >>>>>> Or go back and read your bible properly. > >>>>> Matthew 7:21` Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall > >>>>> enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my > >>>>> Father which is in heaven. > >>>> Sorry, but I see nothing there that says that Jesus tells us to "stay > >>>> out of homosexuality". > >>> Well, then find out for yourself if it means to stay out of > >>> homosexuality. > >> How would I go about doing that? > > > I don't care how you find out. All I can do is tell you what it > > means. > > So, you can't back up your assertions. > > Color me unsurprised. Well, I am sure you will try to prove me wrong. Robert B. Winn
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