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Article #12013Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: DanielSan
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:53
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:53
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rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 21, 7:44 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 21, 6:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 20, 3:05 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:19 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:d56410cf-c39e-4de7-9b1a-51ae24806393@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 3:35 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:49 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a satanist, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bobbie? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a god of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love, who in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all history. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you find to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evil? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the teachings of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus? What, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins. That would include >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is necessary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven. That includes the sin of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuality. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin. Unless you can find where it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do. There is no one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people. What >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they do in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota. Why on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem. I said that you are able to tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin. If you say you cannot tell it is a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sin, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow atheist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josef >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people. He was just born that way like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your wacky >>>>>>>>>>>>>> myths. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> centre.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior. So is killing 12 million people. >>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is not immoral. >>>>>>>>>>> Explain it to Jesus Christ. It does not have anything to do with me. >>>>>>>>>> This is a neat trick. >>>>>>>>>> Your religion has allowed you to disavow any responsibility for your >>>>>>>>>> bigotry. >>>>>>>>>> ...and because it's a religious opinion, it automatically gets more >>>>>>>>>> respect than it deserves. >>>>>>>>>> You can hold the vilest of opinions, and never have to back them up at >>>>>>>>>> all. >>>>>>>>>> Genius!- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> That's how religion works. >>>>>>>> It gives people excuses to behave atrociously, all in the name of God. >>>>>>>> So immoral. >>>>>>>>> If you do not like it, complain to Jesus Christ. He told us to stay >>>>>>>>> out of homosexuality. >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>> Please quote the part of the New Testament where he does that. >>>>>>>> Or go back and read your bible properly. >>>>>>> Matthew 7:21` Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall >>>>>>> enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my >>>>>>> Father which is in heaven. >>>>>> Sorry, but I see nothing there that says that Jesus tells us to "stay >>>>>> out of homosexuality". >>>>> Well, then find out for yourself if it means to stay out of >>>>> homosexuality. >>>> How would I go about doing that? >>> I don't care how you find out. All I can do is tell you what it >>> means. >> So, you can't back up your assertions. >> >> Color me unsurprised. > > Well, I am sure you will try to prove me wrong. Not really. You're the one that is claiming that some character in a book said something. If you want me to believe in it, you're going to have to do better than what you're currently doing. Otherwise, have a nice day. -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
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