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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#12115
From: DanielSan
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:21
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 21, 12:00 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 20, 1:00 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 20, 3:30 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:49 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a satanist, bobbie?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do not believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a god of love, who in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all history.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you find to be evil?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the teachings of Jesus?  What,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins.  That would include homosexuality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is necessary before the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven.  That includes the sin of homosexuality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin.  Unless you can find where it says that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do.  There is no one on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people. What they do in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota. Why on Earth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem.  I said that you are able to tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin.   If you say you cannot tell it is a sin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't think it
>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of any reason I
>>>>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow atheist Josef
>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people.  He was just born that way like
>>>>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right?
>>>>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your wacky myths.
>>>>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right and centre.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior.  So is killing 12 million people.
>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is not immoral.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Josef Stalin said that killing 12 million people was not immoral.
>>>>>> What kind of argument is that? Are you equivocating slaughter with
>>>>>> homosexuality?- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> What is your question supposed to mean?  Equivocate does not mean to
>>>>> set something equal to something else.  This is a typical atheist
>>>>> question.  You people think you can change the world by asking
>>>>> ambiguous questions.
>>>> I didn't understand your link between Joseph Stalin and being gay. I was
>>>> aksing for clarification. If you're not able to provide it...- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> The conversation about this particular link between Josef Stalin and
>>> homosexuals began when an atheist said he did not have sins because he
>>> did not believe in sin.   I said that Josef Stalin had felt the same
>>> way when he killed 12 million people because he was an atheist and did
>>> not believe in sin either.  Then homosexuals came into the
>>> conversation because atheists were saying that homosexuality was not a
>>> sin.  So the common thread in all this seems to be atheism.
>> What does Joseph Stalin's crimes have to do with any of us. I don't
>> believe in sin, and I've never slaughtered anyone. How is that example
>> remotely releveant?
>>
>> I still have no sensible reason to regard homosexuality as immoral. I
>> know many in your religion don't like it, but no gay person ever did me
>> any harm.- Hide quoted text -
>>
> Well, what harm did Josef Stalin do to you?  Her certainly was ahead
> of his time with regard to population control, something that atheists
> of today are all concerned about.

No.


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*          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
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* "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
*  wants them to do because I notice it always       *
*  coincides with their own desires."                *
*                                 --Susan B. Anthony *
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