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Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) wrote:
> On Jul 21, 12:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
>>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
>>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
>>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
>>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
>>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
>>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
>>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
>>>>>>>>> suited his purpose.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not
>>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
>>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
>>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
>>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
>>>>>>> and your bible...- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union.  It is well
>>>>>> documented.
>>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
>>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
>>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
>>> Don't change the subject.  What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
>>> atheism?
>>> --
>> So what is the matter?  Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists.  They will
>> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
>> they were.
>> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
>> Robert B. Winn
> 
> Yes.  Personal responsibility.  I'm not Pol Pot, nor am I Joseph
> Stalin.  Nor do they represent normal atheists.
> If you want to take responsibility for all crimes committed by
> religious people, feel free.  There's plenty butchers in that camp.

Exactly, I never really understood the smear campaigns. I am only 
responsible for my own actions, a responsibility I happily accept. I 
cannot be held responsible for atrocities committed before I was born, 
no matter how similar the perp's worldview is to mine.

I've never killed anyone, and I don't intend to.