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Article #12191Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:07
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:07
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On Jul 21, 12:00 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 20, 1:00 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 20, 3:30 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 19, 8:49 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 19, 7:19 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 8:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 4:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 6:47 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 7:24 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 12:09 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:25�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:c6ff2090-3c5f-4de6-97bf-0641d818d2e2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you going to admit you're a satanist, bobbie? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never been involved in atheism. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satanism is a faith. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not a subset of atheism. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, atheism is a cult of people who say, We do not believe in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following anything., who follow Satan around. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Christian are those that say they follow a god of love, who in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact follow one of the most evil deities of all history. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly which teachings of Jesus Christ do you find to be evil? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you think that Christians ONLY follow the teachings of Jesus? What, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example, did Jesus say about homosexuality? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said to repent from any sins. That would include homosexuality. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality isn't a sin. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what did Jesus say about homosexuality? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ said that repentance from any sin is necessary before the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person can enter heaven. That includes the sin of homosexuality. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But homosexuality is not a sin. Unless you can find where it says that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Homosexuality is a sin regardless of what I do. There is no one on > >>>>>>>>>>>>> earth who cannot tell that homosexuality is a sin. > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm on the Earth, and I have no problem with gay people. What they do in > >>>>>>>>>>>> the privacy of their homes doesn't impact on me one iota. Why on Earth > >>>>>>>>>>>> would I have a problem with homosexuals?- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>> I did not say you had a problem. I said that you are able to tell > >>>>>>>>>>> that homosexuality is a sin. If you say you cannot tell it is a sin, > >>>>>>>>>>> you are not telling the truth. > >>>>>>>>>> I don't even subscribe to the concept of sin, so no I don't think it > >>>>>>>>>> sinful. You may think it wrong, I don't. I can't think of any reason I > >>>>>>>>>> would.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>> Well, you would not think of it as sin when your fellow atheist Josef > >>>>>>>>> Stalin killed 12 million people. He was just born that way like > >>>>>>>>> homosexuals are, right? > >>>>>>>> Immoral behaviour exists quite apart from "sin" outside your wacky myths. > >>>>>>>> You will note that we're not all killing peasants left, right and centre.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>> Homosexuality is immoral behavior. So is killing 12 million people. > >>>>>> Homosexuality is not immoral. > >>>>>> -- > >>>>> Josef Stalin said that killing 12 million people was not immoral. > >>>> What kind of argument is that? Are you equivocating slaughter with > >>>> homosexuality?- Hide quoted text - > >>> What is your question supposed to mean? Equivocate does not mean to > >>> set something equal to something else. This is a typical atheist > >>> question. You people think you can change the world by asking > >>> ambiguous questions. > >> I didn't understand your link between Joseph Stalin and being gay. I was > >> aksing for clarification. If you're not able to provide it...- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > The conversation about this particular link between Josef Stalin and > > homosexuals began when an atheist said he did not have sins because he > > did not believe in sin. I said that Josef Stalin had felt the same > > way when he killed 12 million people because he was an atheist and did > > not believe in sin either. Then homosexuals came into the > > conversation because atheists were saying that homosexuality was not a > > sin. So the common thread in all this seems to be atheism. > > What does Joseph Stalin's crimes have to do with any of us. I don't > believe in sin, and I've never slaughtered anyone. How is that example > remotely releveant? > > I still have no sensible reason to regard homosexuality as immoral. I > know many in your religion don't like it, but no gay person ever did me > any harm.- Hide quoted text - > Well, what harm did Josef Stalin do to you? Her certainly was ahead of his time with regard to population control, something that atheists of today are all concerned about. Robert B. Winn
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