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On Jul 20, 11:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) wrote:
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> > On Jul 21, 12:51 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >> On Jul 20, 2:53 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
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> >>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>> On Jul 20, 10:00 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:34�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:27:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, a couple of atheists have told me that. ?They said he was a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was an alcoholic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you're making things up again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint: He was not a Christian merely because an atheist claimed he was...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hint #2: ?What school did Stalin go to in 1888?
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stalin went to a Russian Orthodox seminary. ?He rejected what he was
> >>>>>>>>>>>> taught there and became a mass murderer.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Only partially true. Like I told you before, politicians, and in
> >>>>>>>>>>> particular tyrants, will say anything to gain or remain in power.
> >>>>>>>>>> Well, Stalin did say he was an atheist. ?He told the truth about that.
> >>>>>>>>> He never openly admitted this. In fact, his religious beliefs were
> >>>>>>>>> pretty vague. What he hated was the concept of god as presented by the
> >>>>>>>>> ROC. He did, however, find a political use for the church when it
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> >>>>>>>> That is quite a statement. �So you are saying that Stalin did not
> >>>>>>>> believe in the Communist Manifesto?
> >>>>>>> Tyrants will use or believe anything to maintain their control. He
> >>>>>>> probably found some parts useful, and ignored anything that
> >>>>>>> contradicted his personally ideologies...pretty much the same with you
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> >>>>>> Stalin tried to stamp out religion in the Soviet Union.  It is well
> >>>>>> documented.
> >>>>> And what's that got to do with atheism?
> >>>> Stalin was a prominent atheist of his time who is claimed to have been
> >>>> a Christian by atheists of today.
> >>> Don't change the subject.  What has what Stalin tried to do relevant to
> >>> atheism?
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> >> So what is the matter?  Stalin and Pol Pot were atheists.  They will
> >> never turn into Christians no matter how many times you try to claim
> >> they were.
> >> Don't you atheists ever take responsibility for anything?
> >> Robert B. Winn
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> > Yes.  Personal responsibility.  I'm not Pol Pot, nor am I Joseph
> > Stalin.  Nor do they represent normal atheists.
> > If you want to take responsibility for all crimes committed by
> > religious people, feel free.  There's plenty butchers in that camp.
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> Exactly, I never really understood the smear campaigns. I am only
> responsible for my own actions, a responsibility I happily accept. I
> cannot be held responsible for atrocities committed before I was born,
> no matter how similar the perp's worldview is to mine.
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> I've never killed anyone, and I don't intend to.- Hide quoted text -
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That is very commendable.  Pol Pot was just an unassuming person also
until he became a Communist dictator.
Robert B. Winn