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On Jul 20, 7:30 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
<alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> On Jul 21, 12:24 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 20, 2:17 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
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> > <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > On Jul 19, 3:31 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 18, 5:48 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
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> > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > On Jul 17, 6:51 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Jul 17, 5:45 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > > > >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >>>>> On Jul 17, 5:31 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>> On Jul 16, 8:36 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:21 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:43�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:40 am, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2:54 pm, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your analysis, Peter. �I was merely expanding on a
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement from an atheist to show where it was leading: �Atheists do
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe anything.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not true, we believe you're a fuckin' moron... We even have
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence!
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to take that as an article of faith. �The evidence isn't
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compelling. �We do have evidence that he's a liar. �So he could be
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acting incredibly stupid, or more likely be stupid, it's impossible to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell. �But the evidence for lies is overwhelming.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we believe he's as stupid as dog shit. �But we have evidence, and
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thus no need of faith, that he's a liar.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand your point, but I believe we have overwhelming evidence of
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both. Bobby is a classic newsgroup troll who desparately craves
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention. Lying is an excellent way to get attention, although it
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally means suffering considerable ridicule and insult in the
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I also believe he's rather unintelligent (as most newsgroup trolls
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tend to be). He has shown a remarkable inability to absorb and integrate
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new information presented to him. There's no indication he reads
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything outside of the few newsgroups he spends countless hours posting
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in. And he has shown a breathtaking lack of self awareness and maturity,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether about his ridiculous physics kookiness or his puerile religious
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. Taken together these point to someone suffering from mental
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illness combined with a serious cognitive impairment, or as I prefer to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think of it, he's a fuckin' moron...
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I'll agree it's a good summary.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong statement,
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Al.  You are agreeing with someone who has a weak mind.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Being upset about a select set of simple sounds is strange to me.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is such a non-issue for grown-ups, I'm far more interested in
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the ideas conveyed by the words. You're using the profanity to ignore
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the point.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> You do not have a point.  You are using various ideas as an excuse to
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> use profanity.   It would be more honest to just leave out the ideas
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> and have the profanity by itself.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> What an odd idea. I don't believe profanity needs an excuse, it's simply
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> a language feature that can be leveraged just like any other.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> The idea is still conveyed, often more forcefully. If it makes you
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> uncomfortable and lets you avoid the point being made, then I'd have
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> thought you'd have been grateful for the "out"!
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> How is being profane dishonest?
> > > > > >>>>>>>>>> It's really quite normal. Even among the religious.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Well, not quite normal.  I get tired of atheists who can be totally
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> unprofane except when they are talking to me.
> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Take it somewhere else.
> > > > > >>>>>>>> Would you like some cheese with that whine?
> > > > > >>>>>>>> If you don't like how atheists are talking to you, you can certainly
> > > > > >>>>>>>> snip our newsgroup out of your headers.
> > > > > >>>>>>> The behavior of atheists can be changed.  I just go ahead and change
> > > > > >>>>>>> it.
> > > > > >>>>>> Pride is a sin.
> > > > > >>>>> Yes, that is correct.
> > > > > >>>> So, you just sinned.
> > > > > >>> In what way did I sin?
> > > > > >> Imagining that you have the ability to change atheists.  The sin?  Pride.
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> > > > > > I do not imagine anything.  I just do things.
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> > > > > Sorry, but you're still imagining.  Name me one atheist that you've
> > > > > "changed".
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> > > > All atheists with whom I have spoken have changed.
> > > > Robert B. Winn
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> > > Yes.  They all now have an abiding distrust of anything a christian
> > > says.
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> > > Al- Hide quoted text -
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> > Well, no, Al, they see the problem with atheism.  Remember, Al, the
> > principle of repentance is available to atheists the same as everyone
> > else.
> > Robert B. Winn
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> The only consistent change in attitude I've noticed in atheists who
> have come in contact with you is an increased acknowledgement of how
> crazy christians are.  The only thing they regret more than before
> would be trying to educate crazy christians.
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> Al
> PS:  If you want to stop being called a liar all the time, you might
> want to stop telling people what they think and what they said, when
> it's clear that you are drivelling shit.- Hide quoted text -
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What I want to do, Al, is to let you decide for yourselves what you
are going to do.   If nothing else, you might be able to learn to do
that for yourselves.
Robert B. Winn