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Article #12201Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:44
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:44
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On Jul 20, 11:51 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 20, 2:17 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> On Jul 19, 3:31 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >>> On Jul 18, 5:48 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 17, 6:51 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:45 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:31 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 8:36 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:21 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:43�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:40 am, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2:54 pm, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your analysis, Peter. �I was merely expanding on a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement from an atheist to show where it was leading: �Atheists do > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe anything. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not true, we believe you're a fuckin' moron... We even have > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to take that as an article of faith. �The evidence isn't > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compelling. �We do have evidence that he's a liar. �So he could be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acting incredibly stupid, or more likely be stupid, it's impossible to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell. �But the evidence for lies is overwhelming. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we believe he's as stupid as dog shit. �But we have evidence, and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thus no need of faith, that he's a liar. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand your point, but I believe we have overwhelming evidence of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both. Bobby is a classic newsgroup troll who desparately craves > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention. Lying is an excellent way to get attention, although it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally means suffering considerable ridicule and insult in the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I also believe he's rather unintelligent (as most newsgroup trolls > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tend to be). He has shown a remarkable inability to absorb and integrate > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new information presented to him. There's no indication he reads > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything outside of the few newsgroups he spends countless hours posting > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in. And he has shown a breathtaking lack of self awareness and maturity, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether about his ridiculous physics kookiness or his puerile religious > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. Taken together these point to someone suffering from mental > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illness combined with a serious cognitive impairment, or as I prefer to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think of it, he's a fuckin' moron... > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I'll agree it's a good summary. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong statement, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al. You are agreeing with someone who has a weak mind. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being upset about a select set of simple sounds is strange to me. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is such a non-issue for grown-ups, I'm far more interested in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ideas conveyed by the words. You're using the profanity to ignore > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do not have a point. You are using various ideas as an excuse to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use profanity. It would be more honest to just leave out the ideas > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have the profanity by itself. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What an odd idea. I don't believe profanity needs an excuse, it's simply > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a language feature that can be leveraged just like any other. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is still conveyed, often more forcefully. If it makes you > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> uncomfortable and lets you avoid the point being made, then I'd have > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought you'd have been grateful for the "out"! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is being profane dishonest? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really quite normal. Even among the religious.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not quite normal. I get tired of atheists who can be totally > >>>>>>>>>>>>> unprofane except when they are talking to me. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Take it somewhere else. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like some cheese with that whine? > >>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't like how atheists are talking to you, you can certainly > >>>>>>>>>>>> snip our newsgroup out of your headers. > >>>>>>>>>>> The behavior of atheists can be changed. I just go ahead and change > >>>>>>>>>>> it. > >>>>>>>>>> Pride is a sin. > >>>>>>>>> Yes, that is correct. > >>>>>>>> So, you just sinned. > >>>>>>> In what way did I sin? > >>>>>> Imagining that you have the ability to change atheists. The sin? Pride. > >>>>> I do not imagine anything. I just do things. > >>>> Sorry, but you're still imagining. Name me one atheist that you've > >>>> "changed". > >>> All atheists with whom I have spoken have changed. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> Yes. They all now have an abiding distrust of anything a christian > >> says. > > >> Al- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, no, Al, they see the problem with atheism. Remember, Al, the > > principle of repentance is available to atheists the same as everyone > > else. > > What problem with atheism?- Hide quoted text - > Atheists deny the existence of God and Jesus Christ. Robert B. Winn
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