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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: rbwinn
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:44
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On Jul 20, 11:51 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 20, 2:17 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> > <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >> On Jul 19, 3:31 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> >>> On Jul 18, 5:48 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 17, 6:51 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:45 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 5:31 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 8:36 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 1:04 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:21 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:43�pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 1:40 am, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2:54 pm, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your analysis, Peter. �I was merely expanding on a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement from an atheist to show where it was leading: �Atheists do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not believe anything.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not true, we believe you're a fuckin' moron... We even have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to take that as an article of faith. �The evidence isn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compelling. �We do have evidence that he's a liar. �So he could be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acting incredibly stupid, or more likely be stupid, it's impossible to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell. �But the evidence for lies is overwhelming.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, we believe he's as stupid as dog shit. �But we have evidence, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thus no need of faith, that he's a liar.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand your point, but I believe we have overwhelming evidence of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both. Bobby is a classic newsgroup troll who desparately craves
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention. Lying is an excellent way to get attention, although it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normally means suffering considerable ridicule and insult in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I also believe he's rather unintelligent (as most newsgroup trolls
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tend to be). He has shown a remarkable inability to absorb and integrate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new information presented to him. There's no indication he reads
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything outside of the few newsgroups he spends countless hours posting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in. And he has shown a breathtaking lack of self awareness and maturity,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether about his ridiculous physics kookiness or his puerile religious
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. Taken together these point to someone suffering from mental
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illness combined with a serious cognitive impairment, or as I prefer to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think of it, he's a fuckin' moron...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I'll agree it's a good summary.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is the attempt of a weak mind to make a strong statement,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Al.  You are agreeing with someone who has a weak mind.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being upset about a select set of simple sounds is strange to me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Profanity is such a non-issue for grown-ups, I'm far more interested in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ideas conveyed by the words. You're using the profanity to ignore
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You do not have a point.  You are using various ideas as an excuse to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use profanity.   It would be more honest to just leave out the ideas
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and have the profanity by itself.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What an odd idea. I don't believe profanity needs an excuse, it's simply
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a language feature that can be leveraged just like any other.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is still conveyed, often more forcefully. If it makes you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> uncomfortable and lets you avoid the point being made, then I'd have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought you'd have been grateful for the "out"!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How is being profane dishonest?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's really quite normal. Even among the religious.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, not quite normal.  I get tired of atheists who can be totally
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> unprofane except when they are talking to me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Take it somewhere else.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like some cheese with that whine?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't like how atheists are talking to you, you can certainly
> >>>>>>>>>>>> snip our newsgroup out of your headers.
> >>>>>>>>>>> The behavior of atheists can be changed.  I just go ahead and change
> >>>>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>> Pride is a sin.
> >>>>>>>>> Yes, that is correct.
> >>>>>>>> So, you just sinned.
> >>>>>>> In what way did I sin?
> >>>>>> Imagining that you have the ability to change atheists.  The sin?  Pride.
> >>>>> I do not imagine anything.  I just do things.
> >>>> Sorry, but you're still imagining.  Name me one atheist that you've
> >>>> "changed".
> >>> All atheists with whom I have spoken have changed.
> >>> Robert B. Winn
> >> Yes.  They all now have an abiding distrust of anything a christian
> >> says.
>
> >> Al- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Well, no, Al, they see the problem with atheism.  Remember, Al, the
> > principle of repentance is available to atheists the same as everyone
> > else.
>
> What problem with atheism?- Hide quoted text -
>
Atheists deny the existence of God and Jesus Christ.
Robert B. Winn
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From: rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:44:05 -0700 (PDT)
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