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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 20, 9:36 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> wrote:
>> On 19 jul, 20:56, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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>>> On Jul 19, 8:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:13 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 17 jul, 05:29, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 1:31 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 16 jul, 16:23, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 9:20 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 14 jul, 05:42, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 1:12 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 jul, 16:22, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 7:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:21:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You atheists seem to have a lot of trouble with the meanings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words. ?There was another atheist who seemed to believe that adult and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterer meant the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which is an old joke that you obviously didn't get.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a very foolish mistake. �Although the two words look and sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar, they mean very different things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd explain the meaning of "a play on words", but it would be like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouring water on a rock and expecting it to sink in...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With atheists, it is not a play on words.  They really believe that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterers are the most mature adults.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't believe anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More lies from the Prince of Lies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its amazing how much ore of an atheist I want to be, listening to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, there you have it.  Atheists don't believe anything, they don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do anything, and they don't think anything.  It does not sound very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exciting to me, but maybe it does to an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well. Atheist are not lying their butt off like you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of them believe in natural explanations,
>>>>>>>>>>>> most of them have a job,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and many of them are intelligent enough not to make as silly a claim
>>>>>>>>>>>> as to say someone else doesn't think anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your statement would be truth though if it was made about dead people.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But if all dead people are atheists, what would that mean for heaven
>>>>>>>>>>>> and hell?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Think about it!
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure you have enough brains to understand,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I only doubt whether you will use them on this issue or perfer to keep
>>>>>>>>>>>> making silly statements
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>>>>>>>>>>>> July 2008
>>>>>>>>>>>> Amstelveen
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>>> That's where you are wrong, Peter.
>>>>>>>>>>> You think rbwinn got brain? OK, has a brain but without cells...
>>>>>>>>>>> But you do not know he has mental problem, which the scientists have
>>>>>>>>>>> not come up with any cure yet?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>> I always assume that a person with whom I can have some kind of
>>>>>>>>>> conversation, is more or less intelligent in the same way I am.
>>>>>>>>>> Though rbwinn sometimes posts like a moron, that does not nescesarily
>>>>>>>>>> mean he is one. He sort of acknowledged he was actually mocking
>>>>>>>>>> atheism, by pursuing the line "an atheist has no believe". And if that
>>>>>>>>>> would indeed be true, than logic requires that the atheist does not
>>>>>>>>>> think. For what is there to think about unless you believe something?
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway I always treat posters as if they can understand what I am
>>>>>>>>>> saying,
>>>>>>>>>> and I will keep doing do, however hard those posters are trying not
>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>>>>>>>>>> July 2008
>>>>>>>>>> Amstelveen
>>>>>>>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>> PS In order to make this post I had to believe:
>>>>>>>>>> I exist
>>>>>>>>>> You exist
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn exists
>>>>>>>>>> My computer exists
>>>>>>>>>> Google exists
>>>>>>>>>> (my provider doesn't provide Newsgroup access)
>>>>>>>>>> sci.physics,cam.mist,alt.sci.physics or alt.atheism exists
>>>>>>>>>> English exists
>>>>>>>>>> The english words mean what I think they mean
>>>>>>>>>> Others can understand the English I produce.
>>>>>>>>>> Someone who doesn't believe all of this (except maybe for Google and
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn)
>>>>>>>>>> cannot sensibly reply to your post.- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>>>> Europeans are very existential.
>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>>>> Somehow Robert, I do not think my philosophy is existentialism. I
>>>>>>>> think it rather borders on pragmatism. Discussions become rather
>>>>>>>> meaningsless, unless one accepts there is a ground for it. So in order
>>>>>>>> to exchange thought with you, I have to suppose that to be possible.
>>>>>>>> My main premise is that you are an intelligent human being, able to
>>>>>>>> understand what I am saying and able to make me understand what you
>>>>>>>> are thinking.
>>>>>>>> Besides discussions becoming worthless if this were not the case, I
>>>>>>>> think it's a mater of courtesy also.
>>>>>>>> Some peopleon usenet are very quick to dismiss others as inferior. I
>>>>>>>> admit some people have superior knowledge and/or superior
>>>>>>>> understanding. But communication works best if we try and find a way
>>>>>>>> to exchange ideas without making arrogant assumptions.
>>>>>>>> Even if someone says something that seems utterly stupid, one should
>>>>>>>> try an find out their reason for saying it. Many times we find out
>>>>>>>> that there is less stupidity in the person than in his/her words.
>>>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>>> Well, I have never met an atheist who wanted to communicate.  What is
>>>>>>> it that you want to communicate?
>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>> To my amazement, my previous reply dissappeared.
>>>>>> So I will try to repost what I said then
>>>>>> Generally I want to communicate to people, that I care about them.
>>>>>> To you in particular I want to say that eveyone who calls himself an
>>>>>> atheist, does at least want to communnicate that he is one.
>>>>>> If you get the impression that atheists do not want to communicate,
>>>>>> that might be because of the negative way you are approaching them. A
>>>>>> liittle more open-mindedness might be sufficient for getting more
>>>>>> friendly replies.
>>>>>> As far as I can see, you are shouting out misconceptions about
>>>>>> atheists, that lead many of them to claim you are stupid.
>>>>>> I do not think you are stupid, but I do think you knowledge about
>>>>>> atheism is very poor.
>>>>>> That is what I want to say to you
>>>>>> (apart from the general fact that I care)
>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>>>>> Well, there may be an atheist somewhere who is actually trying to be a
>>>>> good person just as there may be an honest lawyer somewhere, but these
>>>>> people in this newsgroup are not examples of that.   These are people
>>>>> who regard themselves as being more intelligent than others because
>>>>> they have rejected religion.
>>>> Nope, no one thinks that.  They're just more intelligent than you.
>>> Well, the correct definition of intelligence is the capacity to obey
>>> God.  That would seem to mean that you folks are a little bit lacking.
>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>> Sorry Robert, but I have to tell you that this - what you have just
>> said here - is exactly the reason why most atheists assume you are
>> stupid. If you would try and imagine their point of view, you would
>> understand.
>>
>> Imagine somebody would tell you that being intelligent would mean
>> obeying the tooth-fairy. Wouldn't you laugh in their face?
>>
>> Of course saying that I should do the same thing, and imagine your
>> point of view.
>> What if an allmighty god would exist? Would it be wise to obey him?
>> Of course that would mean knowing Gods wishes in sofar as my conduct
>> is concerned.
>> And that would pose a problem as such.
>> Many faiths, churches and sects claim to know God's wishes, but I
>> wouldn't know which one to believe. Would you.
>>
>> I would imagine the best try is to follow the advice of Jesus.
>> He said that loving god with all your resources is equal to loving
>> your fellow men as much as you love yourself.
>> Now even if he was wrong, and even if there is no God, that would
>> still be beneficial to our fellow men wouldn't it?
>>
>> That's why I would advice you and any Christian who converses with
>> atheists, to restrain themselves to loving those atheists like you
>> love yourselve, and show it!
>>
>> They might love you back, and might stop assuming you are stupid.
>>
> Atheists do not appear to me to have love for anything except money.

Another lie.

> I am fairly certain they would not love me even if I tried to conform
> to their demands.

I don't love you because you're an idiot.


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