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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 20, 9:50 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 19, 10:51 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 19, 10:03 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 12:11 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:13 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17 jul, 05:29, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 1:31 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 jul, 16:23, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 9:20 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14 jul, 05:42, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 1:12 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 jul, 16:22, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 7:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:21:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You atheists seem to have a lot of trouble with the meanings of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words. ?There was another atheist who seemed to believe that adult and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterer meant the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which is an old joke that you obviously didn't get.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a very foolish mistake. �Although the two words look and sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar, they mean very different things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd explain the meaning of "a play on words", but it would be like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouring water on a rock and expecting it to sink in...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With atheists, it is not a play on words.  They really believe that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterers are the most mature adults.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't believe anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More lies from the Prince of Lies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Its amazing how much ore of an atheist I want to be, listening to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, there you have it.  Atheists don't believe anything, they don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do anything, and they don't think anything.  It does not sound very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exciting to me, but maybe it does to an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well. Atheist are not lying their butt off like you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of them believe in natural explanations,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of them have a job,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and many of them are intelligent enough not to make as silly a claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as to say someone else doesn't think anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your statement would be truth though if it was made about dead people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But if all dead people are atheists, what would that mean for heaven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and hell?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think about it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure you have enough brains to understand,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only doubt whether you will use them on this issue or perfer to keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making silly statements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> July 2008
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amstelveen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's where you are wrong, Peter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You think rbwinn got brain? OK, has a brain but without cells...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you do not know he has mental problem, which the scientists have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not come up with any cure yet?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always assume that a person with whom I can have some kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversation, is more or less intelligent in the same way I am.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Though rbwinn sometimes posts like a moron, that does not nescesarily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean he is one. He sort of acknowledged he was actually mocking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism, by pursuing the line "an atheist has no believe". And if that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would indeed be true, than logic requires that the atheist does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think. For what is there to think about unless you believe something?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway I always treat posters as if they can understand what I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I will keep doing do, however hard those posters are trying not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> July 2008
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amstelveen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS In order to make this post I had to believe:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My computer exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (my provider doesn't provide Newsgroup access)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sci.physics,cam.mist,alt.sci.physics or alt.atheism exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> English exists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The english words mean what I think they mean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Others can understand the English I produce.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone who doesn't believe all of this (except maybe for Google and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot sensibly reply to your post.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Europeans are very existential.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somehow Robert, I do not think my philosophy is existentialism. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it rather borders on pragmatism. Discussions become rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meaningsless, unless one accepts there is a ground for it. So in order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to exchange thought with you, I have to suppose that to be possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My main premise is that you are an intelligent human being, able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand what I am saying and able to make me understand what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are thinking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides discussions becoming worthless if this were not the case, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it's a mater of courtesy also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some peopleon usenet are very quick to dismiss others as inferior. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit some people have superior knowledge and/or superior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding. But communication works best if we try and find a way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to exchange ideas without making arrogant assumptions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if someone says something that seems utterly stupid, one should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try an find out their reason for saying it. Many times we find out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that there is less stupidity in the person than in his/her words.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I have never met an atheist who wanted to communicate.  What is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it that you want to communicate?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
>>>>>>>>>>>> To my amazement, my previous reply dissappeared.
>>>>>>>>>>>> So I will try to repost what I said then
>>>>>>>>>>>> Generally I want to communicate to people, that I care about them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> To you in particular I want to say that eveyone who calls himself an
>>>>>>>>>>>> atheist, does at least want to communnicate that he is one.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you get the impression that atheists do not want to communicate,
>>>>>>>>>>>> that might be because of the negative way you are approaching them. A
>>>>>>>>>>>> liittle more open-mindedness might be sufficient for getting more
>>>>>>>>>>>> friendly replies.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I can see, you are shouting out misconceptions about
>>>>>>>>>>>> atheists, that lead many of them to claim you are stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think you are stupid, but I do think you knowledge about
>>>>>>>>>>>> atheism is very poor.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is what I want to say to you
>>>>>>>>>>>> (apart from the general fact that I care)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, there may be an atheist somewhere who is actually trying to be a
>>>>>>>>>>> good person just as there may be an honest lawyer somewhere, but these
>>>>>>>>>>> people in this newsgroup are not examples of that.   These are people
>>>>>>>>>>> who regard themselves as being more intelligent than others because
>>>>>>>>>>> they have rejected religion.
>>>>>>>>>> Nope, no one thinks that.  They're just more intelligent than you.
>>>>>>>>> Well, the correct definition of intelligence is the capacity to obey
>>>>>>>>> God.  That would seem to mean that you folks are a little bit lacking.
>>>>>>>> And that's why everyone in alt.atheism are more intelligent than you.
>>>>>>>> Intelligence:
>>>>>>>> capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of
>>>>>>>> mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts,
>>>>>>>> meanings, etc.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> If you want to believe you are more intelligent than I am, go ahead
>>>>>>> and believe that.  It does not mean anything to me.
>>>>>> Then why post to alt.atheism at all?
>>>>> I cannot see any reason to do it.  
>>>> So, you'll stop?
>>>>> Maybe some of the other atheists
>>>>> could tell you why they do it.
>>>> Because they want to.
>>> I never started.  The only newsgroups I post to are sci.physics and
>>> sci.physics.relativity.
>> BZZT!  ALERT!  ALERT!  Lie detected!  Lie detected!  Commandment 9
>> broken!  Commandment 9 broken!
>>
>> You are posting to cam.misc and alt.atheism as well.  Check your
>> headers, numbnuts.
>>
> I do not care about the headers.  

So, you admit to lying?  That's a commandment you broke, Winn.  You 
don't care about that?

> Atheists are the ones complaining
> about my posts.  

No, we're complaining about your lying about not posting to alt.atheism.

> If you do not want to see my posts, take sci.physics
> and sci.physics. relativity out of the header.

I don't really care where you post.  I do care that you lie about it.

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