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On 19 jul, 20:56, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jul 19, 8:43 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
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> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Jul 19, 8:13 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> > > wrote:
> > >> On 17 jul, 05:29, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > >>> On Jul 16, 1:31 pm, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>> On 16 jul, 16:23, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > >>>>> On Jul 15, 9:20 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 14 jul, 05:42, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 1:12 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 13 jul, 16:22, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 7:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:21:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You atheists seem to have a lot of trouble with the meanings of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words. ?There was another atheist who seemed to believe that adult and
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adulterer meant the same thing.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...which is an old joke that you obviously didn't get.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It is a very foolish mistake. �Although the two words look and sound
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> similar, they mean very different things.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I'd explain the meaning of "a play on words", but it would be like
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> pouring water on a rock and expecting it to sink in...
> > >>>>>>>>>>> With atheists, it is not a play on words.  They really believe that
> > >>>>>>>>>>> adulterers are the most mature adults.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't believe anything.
> > >>>>>>>>>> More lies from the Prince of Lies.
> > >>>>>>>>>> Its amazing how much ore of an atheist I want to be, listening to you.
> > >>>>>>>>> Well, there you have it.  Atheists don't believe anything, they don't
> > >>>>>>>>> do anything, and they don't think anything.  It does not sound very
> > >>>>>>>>> exciting to me, but maybe it does to an atheist.
> > >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> > >>>>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> > >>>>>>>> Well. Atheist are not lying their butt off like you do.
> > >>>>>>>> Most of them believe in natural explanations,
> > >>>>>>>> most of them have a job,
> > >>>>>>>> and many of them are intelligent enough not to make as silly a claim
> > >>>>>>>> as to say someone else doesn't think anything.
> > >>>>>>>> Your statement would be truth though if it was made about dead people.
> > >>>>>>>> But if all dead people are atheists, what would that mean for heaven
> > >>>>>>>> and hell?
> > >>>>>>>> Think about it!
> > >>>>>>>> I am sure you have enough brains to understand,
> > >>>>>>>> I only doubt whether you will use them on this issue or perfer to keep
> > >>>>>>>> making silly statements
> > >>>>>>>> Peter van Velzen
> > >>>>>>>> July 2008
> > >>>>>>>> Amstelveen
> > >>>>>>>> The Netherlands
> > >>>>>>> That's where you are wrong, Peter.
> > >>>>>>> You think rbwinn got brain? OK, has a brain but without cells...
> > >>>>>>> But you do not know he has mental problem, which the scientists have
> > >>>>>>> not come up with any cure yet?- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> > >>>>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> > >>>>>> I always assume that a person with whom I can have some kind of
> > >>>>>> conversation, is more or less intelligent in the same way I am.
> > >>>>>> Though rbwinn sometimes posts like a moron, that does not nescesarily
> > >>>>>> mean he is one. He sort of acknowledged he was actually mocking
> > >>>>>> atheism, by pursuing the line "an atheist has no believe". And if that
> > >>>>>> would indeed be true, than logic requires that the atheist does not
> > >>>>>> think. For what is there to think about unless you believe something?
> > >>>>>> Anyway I always treat posters as if they can understand what I am
> > >>>>>> saying,
> > >>>>>> and I will keep doing do, however hard those posters are trying not
> > >>>>>> to.
> > >>>>>> Love,
> > >>>>>> Peter van Velzen
> > >>>>>> July 2008
> > >>>>>> Amstelveen
> > >>>>>> The Netherlands
> > >>>>>> PS In order to make this post I had to believe:
> > >>>>>> I exist
> > >>>>>> You exist
> > >>>>>> rbwinn exists
> > >>>>>> My computer exists
> > >>>>>> Google exists
> > >>>>>> (my provider doesn't provide Newsgroup access)
> > >>>>>> sci.physics,cam.mist,alt.sci.physics or alt.atheism exists
> > >>>>>> English exists
> > >>>>>> The english words mean what I think they mean
> > >>>>>> Others can understand the English I produce.
> > >>>>>> Someone who doesn't believe all of this (except maybe for Google and
> > >>>>>> rbwinn)
> > >>>>>> cannot sensibly reply to your post.- Hide quoted text -
> > >>>>>> - Show quoted text -
> > >>>>> Europeans are very existential.
> > >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> > >>>>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> > >>>> Somehow Robert, I do not think my philosophy is existentialism. I
> > >>>> think it rather borders on pragmatism. Discussions become rather
> > >>>> meaningsless, unless one accepts there is a ground for it. So in order
> > >>>> to exchange thought with you, I have to suppose that to be possible.
> > >>>> My main premise is that you are an intelligent human being, able to
> > >>>> understand what I am saying and able to make me understand what you
> > >>>> are thinking.
> > >>>> Besides discussions becoming worthless if this were not the case, I
> > >>>> think it's a mater of courtesy also.
> > >>>> Some peopleon usenet are very quick to dismiss others as inferior. I
> > >>>> admit some people have superior knowledge and/or superior
> > >>>> understanding. But communication works best if we try and find a way
> > >>>> to exchange ideas without making arrogant assumptions.
> > >>>> Even if someone says something that seems utterly stupid, one should
> > >>>> try an find out their reason for saying it. Many times we find out
> > >>>> that there is less stupidity in the person than in his/her words.
> > >>>> Love,
> > >>> Well, I have never met an atheist who wanted to communicate.  What is
> > >>> it that you want to communicate?
> > >>> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> > >>> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> > >> To my amazement, my previous reply dissappeared.
> > >> So I will try to repost what I said then
>
> > >> Generally I want to communicate to people, that I care about them.
> > >> To you in particular I want to say that eveyone who calls himself an
> > >> atheist, does at least want to communnicate that he is one.
>
> > >> If you get the impression that atheists do not want to communicate,
> > >> that might be because of the negative way you are approaching them. A
> > >> liittle more open-mindedness might be sufficient for getting more
> > >> friendly replies.
> > >> As far as I can see, you are shouting out misconceptions about
> > >> atheists, that lead many of them to claim you are stupid.
>
> > >> I do not think you are stupid, but I do think you knowledge about
> > >> atheism is very poor.
> > >> That is what I want to say to you
> > >> (apart from the general fact that I care)
>
> > >> Peter van Velzen
>
> > > Well, there may be an atheist somewhere who is actually trying to be a
> > > good person just as there may be an honest lawyer somewhere, but these
> > > people in this newsgroup are not examples of that.   These are people
> > > who regard themselves as being more intelligent than others because
> > > they have rejected religion.
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> > Nope, no one thinks that.  They're just more intelligent than you.
>
> Well, the correct definition of intelligence is the capacity to obey
> God.  That would seem to mean that you folks are a little bit lacking.
> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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Sorry Robert, but I have to tell you that this - what you have just
said here - is exactly the reason why most atheists assume you are
stupid. If you would try and imagine their point of view, you would
understand.

Imagine somebody would tell you that being intelligent would mean
obeying the tooth-fairy. Wouldn't you laugh in their face?

Of course saying that I should do the same thing, and imagine your
point of view.
What if an allmighty god would exist? Would it be wise to obey him?
Of course that would mean knowing Gods wishes in sofar as my conduct
is concerned.
And that would pose a problem as such.
Many faiths, churches and sects claim to know God's wishes, but I
wouldn't know which one to believe. Would you.

I would imagine the best try is to follow the advice of Jesus.
He said that loving god with all your resources is equal to loving
your fellow men as much as you love yourself.
Now even if he was wrong, and even if there is no God, that would
still be beneficial to our fellow men wouldn't it?

That's why I would advice you and any Christian who converses with
atheists, to restrain themselves to loving those atheists like you
love yourselve, and show it!

They might love you back, and might stop assuming you are stupid.

Love,

Peter van Velzen
July 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands