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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: Steve O
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:46
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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> On Jul 17, 12:53 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>> > On Jul 16, 12:48 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> >> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>> On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>>>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>>news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Potter has
>> >>>>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned 
>> >>>>>>>>>>> in Harry
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Potter.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, 
>> >>>>>>>>>> the fact
>> >>>>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since 
>> >>>>>>>>>> we have
>> >>>>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction.
>> >>>>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least.
>> >>>>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it 
>> >>>>>>>>> is.
>> >>>>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean.
>> >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>> >>>>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic.
>> >>>>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible
>> >>>>>>>> Sheep exist today
>> >>>>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>> Steve O
>> >>>>>>> Well, no, Steve O. Here is an example. Atheists were claiming 
>> >>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the
>> >>>>>>> Bible. So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? These atheists 
>> >>>>>>> had
>> >>>>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. So after they looked it up, 
>> >>>>>>> they
>> >>>>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to 
>> >>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London 
>> >>>>>>> to go
>> >>>>>>> to wizard's school.
>> >>>>>> The original assertion remains in force. Hezekiah's Tunnel does 
>> >>>>>> not
>> >>>>>> prove anything.
>> >>>>>>> I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in 
>> >>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's
>> >>>>>>> tunnel. Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel
>> >>>>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says 
>> >>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water.
>> >>>>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists.
>> >>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you?
>> >>>>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction 
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>> King's Cross Station.
>> >>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you?
>> >>>> --
>> >>> Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings
>> >>> Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it 
>> >>> to
>> >>> the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel.
>> >> Totally irrelevant to the point. Just to remind you: people make stuff
>> >> up about real places then write it down. Like in Harry Potter, like in
>> >> the Bible. Why believe it just because it includes a real place?- Hide
>>
>> > I don't believe it because it includes a real place. I believe it
>> > because it is true.
>>
>> Why have you been unable to demonstrate it's truth to us? We've been
>> asking for confirming evidence, where is it?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Well, for instance, I used the example of Hezekiah's tunnel which
> proves the veracity of certain Old Testament verses which describe the
> construction of the tunnel.  No, say atheists, we do not accept that
> as evidence of anything.  This shows that atheists will say the same
> thing with regard to any evidence.  If they will not accept something
> that can be seen and even walked through, then it shows that their
> minds are closed, their opinions are already dictated to them, and any
> evidence shown to them will receive the same reaction.
> Robert B. Winn

What are you talking about?
We accepted your evidence that a tunnel exists.
We accepted your evidence that there is a tunnel mentioned in the bible.
How does that make us close minded?

-- 
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence


 
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From: "Steve O" <nospamhere@thanks.com>
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Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:46:18 +0100
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