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Article #12570Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Steve O
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:46
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:46
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:f2b0bce9-bf0b-49e3-ba87-207059add46d@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 17, 12:53 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jul 16, 12:48 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>> On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> >>>>>>>>news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> >>>>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry >> >>>>>>>>>>> Potter has >> >>>>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned >> >>>>>>>>>>> in Harry >> >>>>>>>>>>> Potter. >> >>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, >> >>>>>>>>>> the fact >> >>>>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since >> >>>>>>>>>> we have >> >>>>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. >> >>>>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least. >> >>>>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it >> >>>>>>>>> is. >> >>>>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. >> >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >> >>>>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. >> >>>>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible >> >>>>>>>> Sheep exist today >> >>>>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>> Steve O >> >>>>>>> Well, no, Steve O. Here is an example. Atheists were claiming >> >>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the >> >>>>>>> Bible. So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? These atheists >> >>>>>>> had >> >>>>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. So after they looked it up, >> >>>>>>> they >> >>>>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to >> >>>>>>> be >> >>>>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London >> >>>>>>> to go >> >>>>>>> to wizard's school. >> >>>>>> The original assertion remains in force. Hezekiah's Tunnel does >> >>>>>> not >> >>>>>> prove anything. >> >>>>>>> I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's >> >>>>>>> tunnel. Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel >> >>>>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says >> >>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. >> >>>>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists. >> >>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? >> >>>>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> King's Cross Station. >> >>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? >> >>>> -- >> >>> Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings >> >>> Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it >> >>> to >> >>> the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. >> >> Totally irrelevant to the point. Just to remind you: people make stuff >> >> up about real places then write it down. Like in Harry Potter, like in >> >> the Bible. Why believe it just because it includes a real place?- Hide >> >> > I don't believe it because it includes a real place. I believe it >> > because it is true. >> >> Why have you been unable to demonstrate it's truth to us? We've been >> asking for confirming evidence, where is it?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, for instance, I used the example of Hezekiah's tunnel which > proves the veracity of certain Old Testament verses which describe the > construction of the tunnel. No, say atheists, we do not accept that > as evidence of anything. This shows that atheists will say the same > thing with regard to any evidence. If they will not accept something > that can be seen and even walked through, then it shows that their > minds are closed, their opinions are already dictated to them, and any > evidence shown to them will receive the same reaction. > Robert B. Winn What are you talking about? We accepted your evidence that a tunnel exists. We accepted your evidence that there is a tunnel mentioned in the bible. How does that make us close minded? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
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