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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#12577
From: BuddyThunder
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:50
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 18, 12:33 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 17, 1:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an
>>>>>>>>>>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins
>>>>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin.
>>>>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is
>>>>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms.
>>>>>>>>> Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12
>>>>>>>>> million people.
>>>>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will
>>>>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog).
>>>>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the
>>>>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross.
>>>>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who
>>>>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that
>>>>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes.
>>>>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that
>>>>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in
>>>>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that
>>>>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or
>>>>>>>> away from religion.
>>>>>>>> TLA
>>>>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist?
>>>>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of
>>>>>> Hitler.
>>>>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular
>>>>>>> with the German people.  His actions in his life show that he did not
>>>>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today.
>>>>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who
>>>>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've
>>>>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and
>>>>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this
>>>>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more.
>>>>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate
>>>>>> your humanity.
>>>>>> TLA- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it.  Stalin and Pol Pot were
>>>>> both atheists.  But politicians who killed large numbers of people
>>>>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which
>>>>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions.
>>>> Your vitriol against atheists is kinda cute in a psycho sort of way.
>>>> Where do I sign up for the genocides? I need to do my atheistic duty. Is
>>>> it the same place Mormons get their brains removed?- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> All you have to do is vote for your pro-abortion politicians.  That
>>> makes it pretty easy for homicidal people of today, doesn't it?
>>> However, my observation is that the blood of unborn children is not
>>> going to satisfy homicidal people forever.  Eventually, they are going
>>> to demand a more active role in homicide.
>> Yeah, we'll start coming after the religious nuts! Woohoo!! *slaver*
>> *drooooool*- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> The prophecy is that almost all people will be at war in the last
> days.

Well, you go and have a war if you want, but I don't fancy it at all.
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