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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: rbwinn
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:19
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On Jul 18, 3:03�am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > Atheists are people who believe they are not accountable for their
> > actions. �
>
> Atheists are people who are particularly accountable for their actions.
> Because they haven't a god's will to hide behind, they have no choice
> but to accept responsibility.
>
> �> They believe that the only thing that matters is if they get
>
> > away with some particular course of action.
>
> This rates along with "all blacks are criminal" and "all men are
> rapists" in the list of irrational, blind, sweeping and completely
> unjustified prejudicial blanket assertions.
>
> > They have themselves
> > convinced that they have succeeded in killing millions of unborn
> > children per year with no consequences.
>
> You've been dangling that bait for a long time - usually when you
> realise you've totally lost an argument, and want to deflect it. OK,
> I'll bite at last.
>
> In both the UK and USA, it's required that any woman who has requested
> (note that word, requested) an abortion be counselled and made aware of
> the physical, emotional and psychological consequences. Proceeding with
> the abortion occurs only when the physicians are convinced that the
> woman is capable of informed consent, has been fully informed, and has
> consented, and that there are compelling medical grounds to perform the
> procedure (which may include the psychological wellbeing of the woman).
>
> Given that a fair proportion of the women concerned (in the USA or the
> UK) are Christian, yours is quite an amusing statement.
>
> Or maybe you believe that physicians performing abortions are all, every
> single one of them, atheist? That would be even more amusing.
>
> What I'm about to say comes from the heart. I'm not saying it to needle you.
>
> You know, Christianity doesn't suit you, right now. You're too naive,
> too gullible, too easily swayed. You parrot the preachings of your
> pastor, without really thinking about them, and when they're challenged
> with fact and logic, you deflect, or come out with some blanket
> prejudice, to try to hide from yourself the fact that someone else might
> have a point.
>
> I've seen that fervour in others. It's never once been a lifelong thing.
> They become more and more emphatic in their statements, but it's to
> suppress growing discomfort. By preaching more and harder, they hoped to
> persuade _themselves_ out of their misgivings. In every case, every
> single case, they failed, and had to step back from their religion and
> reassess. Some returned to Christianity after their "time in the
> desert", with a more worldly view, some decided that it really wasn't
> for them after all.
>
> It's a painful process, more so because of the holes they dug for
> themselves with every self-delivered sermon, but every one of them was
> better for it, a more whole human being.
>
> Perhaps you should take ten years out, take the chance to mature and
> really understand both yourself and the whole spread of world religions,
> and maybe come back to Christianity when you can view it with a more
> impartial eye.
>
> After all you've posted here, there's no possible way that you can say,
> "TLA, you're right." You have left yourself little choice but to rebut,
> or to ignore, these comments, and I will expect nothing less. You've
> backed yourself into that corner.
>
> Think about it, though. More-or-less every saint in Christian history,
> and even Jesus himself, has had at some point to stop and reexamine
> their faith, maybe even abandon it for a while in order to understand it
> better, so you're in good company.
>
> Someone I deeply respect once said, "The journey of a thousand miles
> starts with a single step." I promise you, that step is not into an abyss.
>
> TLA

Well, that is quite a promise, Satan.  Thanks anyway, but I believe I
will keep going to church.
Robert B. Winn
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Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
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