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Article #12596Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:19
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:19
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On Jul 18, 3:03�am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > Atheists are people who believe they are not accountable for their > > actions. � > > Atheists are people who are particularly accountable for their actions. > Because they haven't a god's will to hide behind, they have no choice > but to accept responsibility. > > �> They believe that the only thing that matters is if they get > > > away with some particular course of action. > > This rates along with "all blacks are criminal" and "all men are > rapists" in the list of irrational, blind, sweeping and completely > unjustified prejudicial blanket assertions. > > > They have themselves > > convinced that they have succeeded in killing millions of unborn > > children per year with no consequences. > > You've been dangling that bait for a long time - usually when you > realise you've totally lost an argument, and want to deflect it. OK, > I'll bite at last. > > In both the UK and USA, it's required that any woman who has requested > (note that word, requested) an abortion be counselled and made aware of > the physical, emotional and psychological consequences. Proceeding with > the abortion occurs only when the physicians are convinced that the > woman is capable of informed consent, has been fully informed, and has > consented, and that there are compelling medical grounds to perform the > procedure (which may include the psychological wellbeing of the woman). > > Given that a fair proportion of the women concerned (in the USA or the > UK) are Christian, yours is quite an amusing statement. > > Or maybe you believe that physicians performing abortions are all, every > single one of them, atheist? That would be even more amusing. > > What I'm about to say comes from the heart. I'm not saying it to needle you. > > You know, Christianity doesn't suit you, right now. You're too naive, > too gullible, too easily swayed. You parrot the preachings of your > pastor, without really thinking about them, and when they're challenged > with fact and logic, you deflect, or come out with some blanket > prejudice, to try to hide from yourself the fact that someone else might > have a point. > > I've seen that fervour in others. It's never once been a lifelong thing. > They become more and more emphatic in their statements, but it's to > suppress growing discomfort. By preaching more and harder, they hoped to > persuade _themselves_ out of their misgivings. In every case, every > single case, they failed, and had to step back from their religion and > reassess. Some returned to Christianity after their "time in the > desert", with a more worldly view, some decided that it really wasn't > for them after all. > > It's a painful process, more so because of the holes they dug for > themselves with every self-delivered sermon, but every one of them was > better for it, a more whole human being. > > Perhaps you should take ten years out, take the chance to mature and > really understand both yourself and the whole spread of world religions, > and maybe come back to Christianity when you can view it with a more > impartial eye. > > After all you've posted here, there's no possible way that you can say, > "TLA, you're right." You have left yourself little choice but to rebut, > or to ignore, these comments, and I will expect nothing less. You've > backed yourself into that corner. > > Think about it, though. More-or-less every saint in Christian history, > and even Jesus himself, has had at some point to stop and reexamine > their faith, maybe even abandon it for a while in order to understand it > better, so you're in good company. > > Someone I deeply respect once said, "The journey of a thousand miles > starts with a single step." I promise you, that step is not into an abyss. > > TLA Well, that is quite a promise, Satan. Thanks anyway, but I believe I will keep going to church. Robert B. Winn
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 87 Message-ID: <47071988-2238-4e0c-a67d-e918ae69652e@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> References: <sba274h0m6sfce2dq2q7nqsrh2lca5pnva@4ax.com> <1215933505.29330.4@proxy01.news.clara.net> <ce606df3-c652-45f0-add3-e986068efeb8@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> <1215988954.24051.0@proxy02.news.clara.net> <6b7cfa92-806b-4a24-b730-77678ecc7680@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <1216029095.333.1@proxy00.news.clara.net> <da15541d-5d54-4cba-9a97-e93c56157e6f@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <1216100393.16917.9@proxy01.news.clara.net> <d6fc20c0-098d-43b2-a8ec-3cc7b4d8dac7@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <kaSdndXcdpQZNeHVnZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d@bt.com> <ccb99694-055d-4154-893a-872085daf30d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <BcudnaoqD5RkteLVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com> <476cc203-1500-4d0f-b16f-daa4210ab9d7@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <QcOdnfXTX9CW8-LV4p2dnAA@bt.com> <3c1470cf-bcf3-4437-b2d1-9b31d8f99c5f@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <8ZSdnefU6qDq9x3VnZ2dnUVZ8s_inZ2d@bt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.117.9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1216401579 18630 127.0.0.1 (18 Jul 2008 17:19:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=205.188.117.9; posting-account=i6vpvwoAAABRbNds_JrzhNT-NaeHIrDG User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; AOL 9.1; AOLBuild 4334.36; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: HTTP/1.1 (Velocity/3.1.1.5 [uScMs f p eN:t cCMp s ]), HTTP/1.1 spider-dtc-tf01.proxy.aol.com[CDBC70A1] (Prism/1.2.1), HTTP/1.1 cache-dtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com[CDBC7509] (Traffic-Server/6.1.5 [uScM])