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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#12741
From: DanielSan
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:56
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 16, 6:07 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 15, 6:50 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 14, 11:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>> DanielSan wrote:
>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2:41 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 3:28 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:05 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 1:55 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Loan Arranger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 3:52�am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that it could all be prophesied does not mean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �that God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved of it. �It just meant it was going to take place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean he was powerless to stop it? Wow! That must really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have chafed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ could have stopped his crucifixion any time he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chose to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hey, guys - guys! Just kidding, honest, c'mon, let's get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these nails
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, shake hands, and ... uh, guys? Guys? HEY GUYS, CUT ME A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BREAK HERE!"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TLA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The concept of god is necessary to put a himan face on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mystrious Universe in men's minds, so that when they gaze
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teh only bits they recognize as faintly familiar , are their own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflections, they don't get frightened to death.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is for those who have the courage to see it as it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really is..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religion is just the kiddy bedtime story copout.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So why is it then that Old Testament prophets were put to death,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Baptist was beheaded, Jesus was crucified, his apostles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> martyrs' deaths, religious reformers were burned at the stake, Jews
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were put in extermination camps, Communist regimes killed most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clergy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   If religion is such a bedtime story, why do so many religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get killed for their beliefs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably because they are a bunch of hypocritical liars, like you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plenty of people die rather than face the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, since they are all on the way to a Better Life, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> complain if someone helps them along the way, should they?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me, as a devout Christian (allegedly: `It's hard to believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything you say) will death be something you avoid, or something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is simply going to be the best thing that has ever happened to you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If teh latter, would you like a hand?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Death is something that is going to happen.  With regard to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> hereafter, what happens there is bound to be better than what
>>>>>>>>>>>> happened
>>>>>>>>>>>> to me in this life.
>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't bet on it: If you cant hack this life, you dont have much
>>>>>>>>>>> chance in hacking the hereafter. Perhaps the reason you cant hack this
>>>>>>>>>>> life is you spent it clinging to something that didn't work,
>>>>>>>>>>> because you
>>>>>>>>>>> hadn't the courage to throw away your crutches, and get up and walk.
>>>>>>>>>>> There's a bit about that in the bible as well. But you probably didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> understand that either.
>>>>>>>>>> What makes you think I cannot hack this life?
>>>>>>>>> Your statement abut how hard you found it.
>>>>>>>>> I think you are suffereing from the early stages of dementia.
>>>>>>>>> You are foregetting what you said again.
>>>>>>>> Well, you try getting out of a mental institution some time.   I think
>>>>>>>> the reason I was able to do it was because I learned to talk to
>>>>>>>> atheists.  Whenever I would talk to psychiatrists, I would talk about
>>>>>>>> medical malpractice.
>>>>>>> Talking to atheists is something you're doing very poorly at.
>>>>>> I'd be happy if he could just talk to people, without making blanketing,
>>>>>> bigoted statements about whole groups of people. I suppose he genuinely
>>>>>>   believes all atheists and mental health practitioners to all be
>>>>>> totally debased moral degenerates. Bad thinking.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> I am doing very well at talking to atheists.  As far as I know, there
>>>>> has never been a longer conversation than this one between atheists
>>>>> and a Christian, two Christians, if you count Gordon.
>>>> Sorry, but length of conversation does not equal quality of conversation.
>>> Well, you atheists are free to end it any time.  Just take sci.physics
>>> and sci.physics.relativity out of the header, and nobody in these
>>> newsgroups will see your posts.
>> No, I don't have a problem with any of these posts.
>>
>> --
>> ******************************************************
>> *          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
>>
> Well, OK, then I can assume you are not going to complain about my
> posts?

I have never complained about your posts.

-- 
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*          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
*  wants them to do because I notice it always       *
*  coincides with their own desires."                *
*                                 --Susan B. Anthony *
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