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Article #12741Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: DanielSan
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:56
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:56
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rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 16, 6:07 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 15, 6:50 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 14, 11:57 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> DanielSan wrote: >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2:41 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 3:28 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:05 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 1:55 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Loan Arranger wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 3:52�am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that it could all be prophesied does not mean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> �that God >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved of it. �It just meant it was going to take place. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean he was powerless to stop it? Wow! That must really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have chafed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ could have stopped his crucifixion any time he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chose to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hey, guys - guys! Just kidding, honest, c'mon, let's get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these nails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, shake hands, and ... uh, guys? Guys? HEY GUYS, CUT ME A >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BREAK HERE!" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TLA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The concept of god is necessary to put a himan face on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflection of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mystrious Universe in men's minds, so that when they gaze >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at it, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teh only bits they recognize as faintly familiar , are their own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflections, they don't get frightened to death. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is for those who have the courage to see it as it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really is.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religion is just the kiddy bedtime story copout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So why is it then that Old Testament prophets were put to death, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Baptist was beheaded, Jesus was crucified, his apostles >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffered >>>>>>>>>>>>>> martyrs' deaths, religious reformers were burned at the stake, Jews >>>>>>>>>>>>>> were put in extermination camps, Communist regimes killed most >>>>>>>>>>>>>> clergy, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If religion is such a bedtime story, why do so many religious >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get killed for their beliefs? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably because they are a bunch of hypocritical liars, like you >>>>>>>>>>>>> are. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Plenty of people die rather than face the truth. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, since they are all on the way to a Better Life, they >>>>>>>>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> complain if someone helps them along the way, should they? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell me, as a devout Christian (allegedly: `It's hard to believe >>>>>>>>>>>>> anything you say) will death be something you avoid, or something >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> is simply going to be the best thing that has ever happened to you? >>>>>>>>>>>>> If teh latter, would you like a hand? >>>>>>>>>>>> Death is something that is going to happen. With regard to the >>>>>>>>>>>> hereafter, what happens there is bound to be better than what >>>>>>>>>>>> happened >>>>>>>>>>>> to me in this life. >>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't bet on it: If you cant hack this life, you dont have much >>>>>>>>>>> chance in hacking the hereafter. Perhaps the reason you cant hack this >>>>>>>>>>> life is you spent it clinging to something that didn't work, >>>>>>>>>>> because you >>>>>>>>>>> hadn't the courage to throw away your crutches, and get up and walk. >>>>>>>>>>> There's a bit about that in the bible as well. But you probably didn't >>>>>>>>>>> understand that either. >>>>>>>>>> What makes you think I cannot hack this life? >>>>>>>>> Your statement abut how hard you found it. >>>>>>>>> I think you are suffereing from the early stages of dementia. >>>>>>>>> You are foregetting what you said again. >>>>>>>> Well, you try getting out of a mental institution some time. I think >>>>>>>> the reason I was able to do it was because I learned to talk to >>>>>>>> atheists. Whenever I would talk to psychiatrists, I would talk about >>>>>>>> medical malpractice. >>>>>>> Talking to atheists is something you're doing very poorly at. >>>>>> I'd be happy if he could just talk to people, without making blanketing, >>>>>> bigoted statements about whole groups of people. I suppose he genuinely >>>>>> believes all atheists and mental health practitioners to all be >>>>>> totally debased moral degenerates. Bad thinking.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> I am doing very well at talking to atheists. As far as I know, there >>>>> has never been a longer conversation than this one between atheists >>>>> and a Christian, two Christians, if you count Gordon. >>>> Sorry, but length of conversation does not equal quality of conversation. >>> Well, you atheists are free to end it any time. Just take sci.physics >>> and sci.physics.relativity out of the header, and nobody in these >>> newsgroups will see your posts. >> No, I don't have a problem with any of these posts. >> >> -- >> ****************************************************** >> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * >> > Well, OK, then I can assume you are not going to complain about my > posts? I have never complained about your posts. -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
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