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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> BuddyThunder wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> BuddyThunder wrote:
>>>> Antares 531 wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:25:49 -0700 (PDT), hhyapster@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:51 pm, Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...@swbell.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:38:36 -0700 (PDT), hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>> The primary purpose of our brief existence here in a mortal body 
>>>>>>> is to
>>>>>>> learn about sin and rebellion. We learn by being directly 
>>>>>>> involved and
>>>>>>> we learn by observation in those events with which we were not
>>>>>>> directly involved. We are expected to learn enough about sin and
>>>>>>> rebellion to assure God that none of us will ever want to go back 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> explore it any further, once we've been granted immortality and
>>>>>>> absolute sovereignty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gordon
>>>>>> Well, I do not wish to dispute your line of thinking.
>>>>>> However, what I think is not right is that "sin", "rebellion" were
>>>>>> from your god.
>>>>>> How on earth did he created all these and get us to learn about it?
>>>>>> Surely, if he is all mighty, he should be able to prevent human from
>>>>>> those silly things, right?
>>>>>> Or, are you saying that he was actually non-mighty?
>>>>>> As I had said before, if your god really is the entity that can 
>>>>>> create
>>>>>> human, what did he wish to create all the calamities to kill living
>>>>>> things....?
>>>>>> All these believes do not match up and you did not provide convincing
>>>>>> arguments whatsoever.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I can see your point, but don't quite agree with all you've said. Of
>>>>> course I was wrong one time before...that time when I thought I was
>>>>> wrong but actually wasn't.    ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Would God's creation have been perfect had He left anything out? It
>>>>> seems to me that he had to create sin and rebellion along with all
>>>>> that is good, then separate them into their own domains. This process
>>>>> of separating of good from evil is what we are going through,
>>>>> presently, and we each get to make our choice as to which side of the
>>>>> line we will be on. It seems long and tedious from our temporal
>>>>> perspective, but from God's temporal perspective it is almost
>>>>> instantaneous.
>>>>
>>>> Can I ask where this idea comes from? I'd be interested to know how 
>>>> you formed this opinion.
>>>
>>> It's not an uncommon view: its actually shared with many eastern 
>>> religions, and of course the Alchemical principles were based on this 
>>> sort of world view: the World as a spiritual distillery. It's based 
>>> on the observed fact that a mentalist approach to experience can lead 
>>> to changes in consciousness. Now in its proper form this is merely an 
>>> interesting fact. It took a culture infatuated with Purpose to decide 
>>> that this process was in fact What Life Was All About, and indeed, 
>>> enforce a way of life on everybody to Make Sure They Followed It.
>>>
>>>
>>> And of course 'God' left lots of stuff out of Earth's creation. He 
>>> did not, for example, include fluorescent green unicorns, which would 
>>> have been, I feel, an artistic touch.
>>>
>>> I have no problems with the facts on which religion is (probably) 
>>> based: I have deep concerns about the reckless extrapolation that 
>>> those facts undergo in the construction of a religious THEORY.
>>>
>>> One interesting philosophical question that you may care to ponder, 
>>> is how we can conceive of something that definitely does NOT exist. 
>>> Never mind things that MAY exist.
>>
>> I was wondering about some scriptural basis? Non-Catholic 'thumpers 
>> often at least attempt to back up a doctrine with some kind of 
>> scriptural support. It sounds like a "this makes sense given my 
>> world-view" kind of idea, I was looking for any external support.
>>
>> Not that I buy it! ;-)
> 
> I think its more or less the basis of Buddhism, except there you are 
> already in 'hell' and you get an eternity of life cycles until you step 
> off the wheel of karma.

Yeah, that working towards Nirvana kind of deal, but I hadn't picked 
Antares as a Buddhist!