Article View: sci.physics
Article #12855Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:20
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:20
39 lines
4092 bytes
4092 bytes
On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an
> >>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins
> >>> because whatever they do is not sin.
> >> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is
> >> meaningless. In absolute terms.
>
> > Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12
> > million people.
>
> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will
> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog).
>
> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the
> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross.
>
> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who
> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that
> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes.
>
> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that
> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in
> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that
> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or
> away from religion.
>
> TLA
So was this John Towland an atheist?
Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular
with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did not
believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today.
Robert B. Winn
Technical Details
Message-ID:
<ccb99694-055d-4154-893a-872085daf30d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>Path:
arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mailReferences:
<sba274h0m6sfce2dq2q7nqsrh2lca5pnva@4ax.com> <g3je745vhlou37gh340g2hhniu4vth4kpl@4ax.com> <59577319-489c-4cbe-9279-86af2de66e6d@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <5cb50cba-4ba0-439e-b696-171329756f9a@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <VXcek.207772$312.19087@newsfe12.ams2> <5e791363-e59a-4c1b-8453-381b11520520@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> <1215933505.29330.4@proxy01.news.clara.net> <ce606df3-c652-45f0-add3-e986068efeb8@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> <1215988954.24051.0@proxy02.news.clara.net> <6b7cfa92-806b-4a24-b730-77678ecc7680@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <1216029095.333.1@proxy00.news.clara.net> <da15541d-5d54-4cba-9a97-e93c56157e6f@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <1216100393.16917.9@proxy01.news.clara.net> <d6fc20c0-098d-43b2-a8ec-3cc7b4d8dac7@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <kaSdndXcdpQZNeHVnZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d@bt.com>Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 10b271,d932fee6d9806ab9 X-Google-Thread: 102f53,dac8026861d35fee X-Google-Thread: f442a,d932fee6d9806ab9 X-Google-Thread: 116469,d932fee6d9806ab9 X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,gid102f53,gidf442a,gid116469,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <ccb99694-055d-4154-893a-872085daf30d@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> References: <sba274h0m6sfce2dq2q7nqsrh2lca5pnva@4ax.com> <g3je745vhlou37gh340g2hhniu4vth4kpl@4ax.com> <59577319-489c-4cbe-9279-86af2de66e6d@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <5cb50cba-4ba0-439e-b696-171329756f9a@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <VXcek.207772$312.19087@newsfe12.ams2> <5e791363-e59a-4c1b-8453-381b11520520@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> <1215933505.29330.4@proxy01.news.clara.net> <ce606df3-c652-45f0-add3-e986068efeb8@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> <1215988954.24051.0@proxy02.news.clara.net> <6b7cfa92-806b-4a24-b730-77678ecc7680@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <1216029095.333.1@proxy00.news.clara.net> <da15541d-5d54-4cba-9a97-e93c56157e6f@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <1216100393.16917.9@proxy01.news.clara.net> <d6fc20c0-098d-43b2-a8ec-3cc7b4d8dac7@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <kaSdndXcdpQZNeHVnZ2dnUVZ8rGdnZ2d@bt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.117.9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1216218053 9965 127.0.0.1 (16 Jul 2008 14:20:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:20:53 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=205.188.117.9; posting-account=i6vpvwoAAABRbNds_JrzhNT-NaeHIrDG User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; AOL 9.1; AOLBuild 4334.36; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: HTTP/1.1 (Velocity/3.1.1.5 [uScMs f p eN:t cCMp s ]), HTTP/1.1 spider-dtc-th03.proxy.aol.com[CDBC70E3] (Prism/1.2.1), HTTP/1.1 cache-dtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com[CDBC7509] (Traffic-Server/6.1.5 [uScM])