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Article #12917Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: John Baker
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:45
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:45
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:57:11 +1200, BuddyThunder <nospam@paradise.net.nz> wrote: >DanielSan wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 14, 2:41 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 13, 3:28 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:05 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 1:55 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> The Loan Arranger wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 3:52?am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that it could all be prophesied does not mean >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?that God >>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved of it. ?It just meant it was going to take place. >>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean he was powerless to stop it? Wow! That must really >>>>>>>>>>>>> have chafed. >>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ could have stopped his crucifixion any time he >>>>>>>>>>>> chose to >>>>>>>>>>>> do it. >>>>>>>>>>> "Hey, guys - guys! Just kidding, honest, c'mon, let's get >>>>>>>>>>> these nails >>>>>>>>>>> out, shake hands, and ... uh, guys? Guys? HEY GUYS, CUT ME A >>>>>>>>>>> BREAK HERE!" >>>>>>>>>>> TLA >>>>>>>>>> The concept of god is necessary to put a himan face on the >>>>>>>>>> reflection of >>>>>>>>>> the mystrious Universe in men's minds, so that when they gaze >>>>>>>>>> at it, and >>>>>>>>>> teh only bits they recognize as faintly familiar , are their own >>>>>>>>>> reflections, they don't get frightened to death. >>>>>>>>>> Atheism is for those who have the courage to see it as it >>>>>>>>>> really is.. >>>>>>>>>> Religion is just the kiddy bedtime story copout. >>>>>>>>> So why is it then that Old Testament prophets were put to death, >>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>> the Baptist was beheaded, Jesus was crucified, his apostles >>>>>>>>> suffered >>>>>>>>> martyrs' deaths, religious reformers were burned at the stake, Jews >>>>>>>>> were put in extermination camps, Communist regimes killed most >>>>>>>>> clergy, >>>>>>>>> etc.? >>>>>>>>> If religion is such a bedtime story, why do so many religious >>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>> get killed for their beliefs? >>>>>>>> Probably because they are a bunch of hypocritical liars, like you >>>>>>>> are. >>>>>>>> Plenty of people die rather than face the truth. >>>>>>>> Anyway, since they are all on the way to a Better Life, they >>>>>>>> shouldn't >>>>>>>> complain if someone helps them along the way, should they? >>>>>>>> Tell me, as a devout Christian (allegedly: `It's hard to believe >>>>>>>> anything you say) will death be something you avoid, or something >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> is simply going to be the best thing that has ever happened to you? >>>>>>>> If teh latter, would you like a hand? >>>>>>> Death is something that is going to happen. With regard to the >>>>>>> hereafter, what happens there is bound to be better than what >>>>>>> happened >>>>>>> to me in this life. >>>>>> I wouldn't bet on it: If you cant hack this life, you dont have much >>>>>> chance in hacking the hereafter. Perhaps the reason you cant hack this >>>>>> life is you spent it clinging to something that didn't work, >>>>>> because you >>>>>> hadn't the courage to throw away your crutches, and get up and walk. >>>>>> There's a bit about that in the bible as well. But you probably didn't >>>>>> understand that either. >>>>> What makes you think I cannot hack this life? >>>> Your statement abut how hard you found it. >>>> I think you are suffereing from the early stages of dementia. >>>> >>>> You are foregetting what you said again. >>>> >>> Well, you try getting out of a mental institution some time. I think >>> the reason I was able to do it was because I learned to talk to >>> atheists. Whenever I would talk to psychiatrists, I would talk about >>> medical malpractice. >> >> >> Talking to atheists is something you're doing very poorly at. > >I'd be happy if he could just talk to people, without making blanketing, >bigoted statements about whole groups of people. I suppose he genuinely > believes all atheists and mental health practitioners to all be >totally debased moral degenerates. Bad thinking. If you ask me, his release from that mental institution was a bit premature...
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