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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#12917
From: John Baker
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:45
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:57:11 +1200, BuddyThunder
<nospam@paradise.net.nz> wrote:

>DanielSan wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 14, 2:41 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 13, 3:28 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:05 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 1:55 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The Loan Arranger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 3:52?am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that it could all be prophesied does not mean 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?that God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved of it. ?It just meant it was going to take place.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean he was powerless to stop it? Wow! That must really 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have chafed.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ could have stopped his crucifixion any time he 
>>>>>>>>>>>> chose to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do it.
>>>>>>>>>>> "Hey, guys - guys! Just kidding, honest, c'mon, let's get 
>>>>>>>>>>> these nails
>>>>>>>>>>> out, shake hands, and ... uh, guys? Guys? HEY GUYS, CUT ME A 
>>>>>>>>>>> BREAK HERE!"
>>>>>>>>>>> TLA
>>>>>>>>>> The concept of god is necessary to put a himan face on the 
>>>>>>>>>> reflection of
>>>>>>>>>> the mystrious Universe in men's minds, so that when they gaze 
>>>>>>>>>> at it, and
>>>>>>>>>> teh only bits they recognize as faintly familiar , are their own
>>>>>>>>>> reflections, they don't get frightened to death.
>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is for those who have the courage to see it as it 
>>>>>>>>>> really is..
>>>>>>>>>> Religion is just the kiddy bedtime story copout.
>>>>>>>>> So why is it then that Old Testament prophets were put to death, 
>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>> the Baptist was beheaded, Jesus was crucified, his apostles 
>>>>>>>>> suffered
>>>>>>>>> martyrs' deaths, religious reformers were burned at the stake, Jews
>>>>>>>>> were put in extermination camps, Communist regimes killed most 
>>>>>>>>> clergy,
>>>>>>>>> etc.?
>>>>>>>>>   If religion is such a bedtime story, why do so many religious 
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> get killed for their beliefs?
>>>>>>>> Probably because they are a bunch of hypocritical liars, like you 
>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>> Plenty of people die rather than face the truth.
>>>>>>>> Anyway, since they are all on the way to a Better Life, they 
>>>>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>>>> complain if someone helps them along the way, should they?
>>>>>>>> Tell me, as a devout Christian (allegedly: `It's hard to believe
>>>>>>>> anything you say) will death be something you avoid, or something 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> is simply going to be the best thing that has ever happened to you?
>>>>>>>> If teh latter, would you like a hand?
>>>>>>> Death is something that is going to happen.  With regard to the
>>>>>>> hereafter, what happens there is bound to be better than what 
>>>>>>> happened
>>>>>>> to me in this life.
>>>>>> I wouldn't bet on it: If you cant hack this life, you dont have much
>>>>>> chance in hacking the hereafter. Perhaps the reason you cant hack this
>>>>>> life is you spent it clinging to something that didn't work, 
>>>>>> because you
>>>>>> hadn't the courage to throw away your crutches, and get up and walk.
>>>>>> There's a bit about that in the bible as well. But you probably didn't
>>>>>> understand that either.
>>>>> What makes you think I cannot hack this life?
>>>> Your statement abut how hard you found it.
>>>> I think you are suffereing from the early stages of dementia.
>>>>
>>>> You are foregetting what you said again.
>>>>
>>> Well, you try getting out of a mental institution some time.   I think
>>> the reason I was able to do it was because I learned to talk to
>>> atheists.  Whenever I would talk to psychiatrists, I would talk about
>>> medical malpractice.
>> 
>> 
>> Talking to atheists is something you're doing very poorly at.
>
>I'd be happy if he could just talk to people, without making blanketing, 
>bigoted statements about whole groups of people. I suppose he genuinely 
>  believes all atheists and mental health practitioners to all be 
>totally debased moral degenerates. Bad thinking.


If you ask me, his release from that mental institution was a bit
premature...
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Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
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