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Article #1292Re: Chaos
From: John C. Baez
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:13
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:13
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In article <1992Jul20.194122.4545@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes: > Work on existence and uniqueness and 'attractors' in 2-D with > usually special forcings and/or boundary conditions is hardly > of earth-shattering import. Much more interesting from Foias > is his work on the Hopf functional formulation of turbulence > This is, of course, unrelated to 'chaos'. Most people do not know > that the Navier-Stokes equations have been 'solved' (formally > by functional methods J. Rat. Mech. Anal. 1:87 (1952) and all > that followed from that work). This could be very interesting > if we were better at functional integration. I suggest that work in > this area (of course, there are people working in this area) > is probably more potentially earthshaking, and there are applications > in other research backwaters (e.g. QM). Hmm... I suppose I should just read the reference, but I wonder in what sense the Navier-Stokes equation can be said to be "solved". There is no good global existence theorem for solutions, for one thing. It's true that the Navier-Stokes equation, like most decent PDE's, can be written as a ODE with values in an infinite-dimensional vector space df/dt = G(f) and then "solved" by an integral equation f(t) = f(0) + int_0^t G(f(s)) ds . While this technique is really useful for studying PDE it would be misleading to say to ordinary folks that the Navier-Stokes equation had been solved if this was all there was to it. Of course, you say it was "solved" with quotes. If it's possible to clarify without too much work that'd be nice. By the way, it's very enjoyable to read you writing about this stuff - as opposed to the SSC - I guess I like physics more than politics.
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!wupost!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!galois!nevanlinna!jbaez From: jbaez@nevanlinna.mit.edu (John C. Baez) Subject: Re: Chaos Message-ID: <1992Jul21.211342.17902@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: nevanlinna Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA References: <1992Jul20.160241.29929@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> <14etutINNt7u@ellipse.mps.ohio-state.edu> <1992Jul20.194122.4545@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 21:13:42 GMT Lines: 35