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On Jul 15, 9:41 am, Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...@swbell.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:25:49 -0700 (PDT), hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Jul 14, 8:51 pm, Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...@swbell.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:38:36 -0700 (PDT), hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> (snip)
>
> >> The primary purpose of our brief existence here in a mortal body is to
> >> learn about sin and rebellion. We learn by being directly involved and
> >> we learn by observation in those events with which we were not
> >> directly involved. We are expected to learn enough about sin and
> >> rebellion to assure God that none of us will ever want to go back and
> >> explore it any further, once we've been granted immortality and
> >> absolute sovereignty.
>
> >> Gordon
>
> >Well, I do not wish to dispute your line of thinking.
> >However, what I think is not right is that "sin", "rebellion" were
> >from your god.
> >How on earth did he created all these and get us to learn about it?
> >Surely, if he is all mighty, he should be able to prevent human from
> >those silly things, right?
> >Or, are you saying that he was actually non-mighty?
> >As I had said before, if your god really is the entity that can create
> >human, what did he wish to create all the calamities to kill living
> >things....?
> >All these believes do not match up and you did not provide convincing
> >arguments whatsoever.
>
> I can see your point, but don't quite agree with all you've said. Of
> course I was wrong one time before...that time when I thought I was
> wrong but actually wasn't.    ;-)
>
> Would God's creation have been perfect had He left anything out? It
> seems to me that he had to create sin and rebellion along with all
> that is good, then separate them into their own domains. This process
> of separating of good from evil is what we are going through,
> presently, and we each get to make our choice as to which side of the
> line we will be on. It seems long and tedious from our temporal
> perspective, but from God's temporal perspective it is almost
> instantaneous.
>
> Gordon

You see, there are at least 2 flaws:
1). Essentially, if a god created sin and good, he is to test the
human? But does human allow your god to judge? I certainly don't,
unless the punish and reward are both tangible.
2). Yes, the process of human experience is lengthy, but this is a
process of mankind growing from naive to a learned. And from young to
old which is a life time. With each passing day, we are more mature
and wiser....in a real world when experience is the guidance.
But your concept of the god's temporal perspective is not
real....merely imagination and close to a philosophical perspective,
at best.

I find that you want to cling onto your god and therefore you try to
speak in justification while ignoring the true and realistic material
world where the human experience pain, love, eat, drink, work and all
other physical matters.

The strong will always win, since he will always dirty his hand (never
dirty his mind).
The weak will always loose, since he will always dirty his mind (never
dirty his hand).