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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#12986
From: BuddyThunder
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:57
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DanielSan wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
>> On Jul 14, 2:41 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>> On Jul 13, 3:28 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:05 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 1:55 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The Loan Arranger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 9, 3:52�am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that it could all be prophesied does not mean 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> �that God
>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved of it. �It just meant it was going to take place.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You mean he was powerless to stop it? Wow! That must really 
>>>>>>>>>>>> have chafed.
>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ could have stopped his crucifixion any time he 
>>>>>>>>>>> chose to
>>>>>>>>>>> do it.
>>>>>>>>>> "Hey, guys - guys! Just kidding, honest, c'mon, let's get 
>>>>>>>>>> these nails
>>>>>>>>>> out, shake hands, and ... uh, guys? Guys? HEY GUYS, CUT ME A 
>>>>>>>>>> BREAK HERE!"
>>>>>>>>>> TLA
>>>>>>>>> The concept of god is necessary to put a himan face on the 
>>>>>>>>> reflection of
>>>>>>>>> the mystrious Universe in men's minds, so that when they gaze 
>>>>>>>>> at it, and
>>>>>>>>> teh only bits they recognize as faintly familiar , are their own
>>>>>>>>> reflections, they don't get frightened to death.
>>>>>>>>> Atheism is for those who have the courage to see it as it 
>>>>>>>>> really is..
>>>>>>>>> Religion is just the kiddy bedtime story copout.
>>>>>>>> So why is it then that Old Testament prophets were put to death, 
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>> the Baptist was beheaded, Jesus was crucified, his apostles 
>>>>>>>> suffered
>>>>>>>> martyrs' deaths, religious reformers were burned at the stake, Jews
>>>>>>>> were put in extermination camps, Communist regimes killed most 
>>>>>>>> clergy,
>>>>>>>> etc.?
>>>>>>>>   If religion is such a bedtime story, why do so many religious 
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> get killed for their beliefs?
>>>>>>> Probably because they are a bunch of hypocritical liars, like you 
>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>> Plenty of people die rather than face the truth.
>>>>>>> Anyway, since they are all on the way to a Better Life, they 
>>>>>>> shouldn't
>>>>>>> complain if someone helps them along the way, should they?
>>>>>>> Tell me, as a devout Christian (allegedly: `It's hard to believe
>>>>>>> anything you say) will death be something you avoid, or something 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is simply going to be the best thing that has ever happened to you?
>>>>>>> If teh latter, would you like a hand?
>>>>>> Death is something that is going to happen.  With regard to the
>>>>>> hereafter, what happens there is bound to be better than what 
>>>>>> happened
>>>>>> to me in this life.
>>>>> I wouldn't bet on it: If you cant hack this life, you dont have much
>>>>> chance in hacking the hereafter. Perhaps the reason you cant hack this
>>>>> life is you spent it clinging to something that didn't work, 
>>>>> because you
>>>>> hadn't the courage to throw away your crutches, and get up and walk.
>>>>> There's a bit about that in the bible as well. But you probably didn't
>>>>> understand that either.
>>>> What makes you think I cannot hack this life?
>>> Your statement abut how hard you found it.
>>> I think you are suffereing from the early stages of dementia.
>>>
>>> You are foregetting what you said again.
>>>
>> Well, you try getting out of a mental institution some time.   I think
>> the reason I was able to do it was because I learned to talk to
>> atheists.  Whenever I would talk to psychiatrists, I would talk about
>> medical malpractice.
> 
> 
> Talking to atheists is something you're doing very poorly at.

I'd be happy if he could just talk to people, without making blanketing, 
bigoted statements about whole groups of people. I suppose he genuinely 
  believes all atheists and mental health practitioners to all be 
totally debased moral degenerates. Bad thinking.
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Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
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