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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#13036
From: The Natural Philosopher
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:37
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 14, 2:49 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 13, 3:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 13, 12:13�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>> Smiler wrote:
>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:b0d2514b-bcc4-4cc6-bc43-51ac8ec9e420@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 8:16 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 12:33 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 8:47?pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 7:16 am, James Burns <burns...@osu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 10, 3:04 pm, James Burns <burns...@osu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You seem to be arguing that God is not responsible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything. That seems to fit well with my own position,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> although we do arrive there from very different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> directions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keep up the good work. We'll make an atheist of you yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just kidding. I don't really believe you're serious when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you argue this way. A few posts after you post how God
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is responsible for nothing, you will post that God is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no consistency in what you write, but maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you see no problem in that. Do you see logic as a trap for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the conscience?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you atheists were the ones who were saying God
>>>>>>>>>>>> should be indicted for murder because natural deaths
>>>>>>>>>>>> occur. ?Which court do you plan to file that case in?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>> : And God spake all these words, saying,
>>>>>>>>>>> : I am the LORD thy God,
>>>>>>>>>>> : which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt,
>>>>>>>>>>> : out of the house of bondage.
>>>>>>>>>>> : Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
>>>>>>>>>>> : [...]
>>>>>>>>>>> : Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
>>>>>>>>>>> : [...]
>>>>>>>>>>> Exodus 20:1-3,16
>>>>>>>>>>> Just a reminder.
>>>>>>>>>>> You know, it's kind of sad how you can only defend
>>>>>>>>>>> your beliefs by lying -- which is the same, of
>>>>>>>>>>> course, as admitting you can't defend them at all.
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Burns
>>>>>>>>>> Funny, now all pastors and preachers are say: Thou shalt give me all
>>>>>>>>>> your money.....
>>>>>>>>>> Which is the reason why the US TV preachers own big villa, jet plane,
>>>>>>>>>> bodyguards, women....- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> Well, those people represent themselves and their own financial
>>>>>>>>> interests. They are basically con men.
>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>> Are you saying those many people get conned easily?
>>>>>> Sure. GW Bus=h got elected didn't he? Living proof of the adage that you
>>>>>> can fool most of the people most of the time. Especially naive Xtians.
>>>>>>>> Much like you want to con us into believing your non-existed god and
>>>>>>>> Jesus, so that we would donate some money to treat your sickness?- Hide
>>>>>>>> quoted text -
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>> I told you from the beginning to decide for yourself what you
>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>> Matthew 7:22 � Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we
>>>>>>> not prophewsied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and
>>>>>>> in thy name done many wonderful works?
>>>>>>> 23 �And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: �depart from
>>>>>>> me, ye that work iniquity.
>>>>>> I think that means Robbo. He is patently a satanist.
>>>>>>> ============================================
>>>>>>> Harry Potter left from platform 9 &3/4 to go to Hogwarts wizard school.
>>>>>>> That makes as much sense as you wholly babble quotations.
>>>>>> well at lest its more amusing to read, and no one require that you
>>>>>> believe it to be literally true..
>>>>> Well, you have not talked to any of your fellow atheists lately.
>>>> Actually I have.
>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has
>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry
>>>>> Potter.
>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the fact
>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have
>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction.
>>>> By your reasoning at least.
>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is.
>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean.
>> It means that your thinking has no logic.
>>
>> ergo rational argument with someone who has no logic, and will lie
>> freely and easily  and evade all responsibility for it by changing the
>> subject and picking random statements, taking them out of context and
>> rearranging them to seem to mean what he wants them to mean, is not
>> possible.
>>
>> In short you do with any comments or reasonable arguments the same that
>> you have done to the Bible, you profane it by rearranging it to seem to
>> mean what you want it to mean, using lies and evasions every time the
>> hypocritical contradictions in your worldview become obvious.
>>
>> In short you are the sorriest example of a self avowed Christian it has
>> ever been my misfortune to meet. You are a complete disrace to your
>> society, your country, and your religion, and ultimately the human race.
>>
>>
> Well, you are certainly welcome to your own opinion.  I do not pay
> much attention to it myself.

if only it were true that you paid little attention to your own opinion, 
you might become to some extent a wiser man.

> Robert B. Winn
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:37:01 +0100
From: The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c>
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