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On Jul 15, 2:19 am, Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...@swbell.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:29:55 +0100, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk>
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> >"Antares 531" <gordonlrDEL...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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> >> God does indeed have infinite power and wisdom. He could handle this
> >> any way he chose to do. He chose to let us live as mortals and learn,
> >> hands-on, about sin and rebellion. The intention is to let us learn
> >> enough to assure God that we won't try to go back and explore it any
> >> further, once we've been granted immortality and absolute sovereignty.
> >> God is presently (by our temporal reference frame) in the process of
> >> separating good from evil. Those who reject God and are not willing to
> >> be with Him throughout eternity will be moved, along with all other
> >> aspects of existence that are not good. This will then be separated
> >> from God's domain, irreversibly.
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> >You presume that good and evil are only defined through their relationship
> >to a belief in god.  IOW, you claim that a non-believer's good works do not
> >count, are meaningless.  That is unacceptable, both in itself and if one
> >believes in a god of perfect love.
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> Alex, I'm sincerely sorry if you've gotten this impression from what
> I've posted. To clarify this a bit, let me say that "good" is defined
> as that which benefits everyone involved and does no harm to anyone.
> "Evil" is defined as that which may benefit the perpetrator, or at
> least seem to benefit the perpetrator for the time being, but in the
> final analysis it is harmful to others, and maybe even to the
> perpetrator.
By your own explanation here, you would agree that your god is evil to
its core...bible teaches blood sacrifice, flooding the world...care to
agree?

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> Atheists and those who believe in God but decline to align with Him
> can, and do indeed do good things. But, their choice to remain apart
> from God precludes their being granted immortality in God's domain. As
> to what happens to this group of people, the Bible indicates that they
> will stand before God in judgment and the outcome of that judgment is
> not clearly specified. One interpretation, taken from the passages
> that state that God is omnipotent and God is not willing that any
> should perish, indicates that some, or perhaps all of these people
> will be saved. If this is so, it seems that they may be rewarded for
> their good works.
We atheist will do good, based on our own conscious and not looking to
praise or align with your non-existent god.
Since there is no god, your statement about "stand before god in
judgement" is as meaningless as a talk by a psycho.
You also state that the outcome of the judgement is not clearly
specified by the bible....why neglect on this utmost vital issue?

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> We are rewarded according to our works. "Salvation is by faith and
> faith alone, lest anyone should boast," but "when the Lord returns in
> all the glory of the Father, He will bring His rewards with Him and
> all will be rewarded according to their works." There will be a social
> gradient in Heaven. "Some who are least here on earth will be great in
> Heaven and some who are great here on earth will be least in Heaven."
> This obviously will be determined by their rewards for their works
> done during this mortal phase of their existence.
If human are rewarded for their work, by the society or organization
in this world, what has that got to do with any other entity?
So far, this has worked well for all, with rewards in financial terms
to be able to live happily and bring up the next generation.
There has never been a need for any reward by your god which promise
the sky yet none deliverable.
The term "heaven" is coined by ancient people but is somehow sticked
to modern man like you as well. This shows how undesirable and under-
designed of the work of your god.

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> Those who remain adamantly apart from God at the last judgment will be
> among those that are in the domain that is to be eternally separated
> from God and all that is good. The risk I perceive here is that an
> anti-God mind-set that has endured throughout one's life may be hard
> to give up, and there may be those who stubbornly refuse to do so, at
> the last judgment.
What judgement when your god is not given the choice to rule us? Or
rather, there is no god to speak of, and you talk about last
judgement?
Looking at this world, you will see a lot of hypocritical preachers
who con, or molest teenagers.
They are subjected to 3 levels of guidance: moral teaching, the law of
the nation and the so-called "judgement", what effect of your words
have for them?
They don't give a shit about the words of bible at all.

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> Gordon