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On Jul 13, 3:46�pm, Linda Fox <linda...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:41:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
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> >On Jul 13, 8:43?am, Linda Fox <linda...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:49:43 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
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> >> >On Jul 12, 8:25?am, Linda Fox <linda...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:20:29 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
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> >> >> >A two year old is learning to lie or tell the truth. ?If a two year
> >> >> >old sees its parents lie all the time, then the two year old is going
> >> >> >to do the same thing.
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> >> >> Ho-kayyyy - tell us please, because we'd love to know, how a
> >> >> two-year-old can tell its parents are lying when it does not know the
> >> >> truth itself. Unless it's by watching the nose grow longer and longer.
> >> >A two year old is concerned about what works. ?If the two year old
> >> >sees that lying is more effective in getting results than telling the
> >> >truth, then that is what the two year old is going to start doing.
> >> >Atheists generally reward untruth.
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> >> Right, now just go back and read again, a bit slower this time. How
> >> does the two-year-old know - from the example of his elders - that
> >> lying is more effective, when - are you still there? - he does not
> >> yeat recognise it as lying?
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> >> In the beginning man created god in his own image- Hide quoted text -
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> >What you are claiming is that a two year old cannot tell if something
> >is true or untrue. �I take the position that a two year old is just as
> >capable of discerning as anyone, but might have more of a tendency to
> >try to say the answer he believes his parent wants to hear.
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> Have you EVER met a two-year-old? How does a two-year-old begin to
> know when told, as my husband told my daughter one evening, that I had
> gone shopping, when in fact I was singing in a concert. She sort of
> knew what shopping was, he thought she would not have any idea why
> singing (which she also recognised) might mean I would not be at home
> when she asked for me. She happily accepted the explanation. How would
> she know what he was telling her was not true? If you tell a
> two-year-old that you're 21, when in fact you're 40, they have no
> reason to disbelieve you. They almost certainly do not, at that age,
> have a concept of lying in the first place. Trust me, I've had two of
> them. Maybe by the age of three they begin to grasp it, but even at
> four or five they will make no clear-cut distinction between telling
> the truth and recounting their fantasies.
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Well, then I would suspect that you are not going to be upset when
your teenager does the same thing to you because you do not know
anything and cannot tell when your teenager is lying.   But what is
going to happen if your teenager makes a mistake and gets caught
lying?
That is where the real test of it all will come.
Robert B. Winn