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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: hhyapster
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:48
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On Jul 12, 2:27 am, Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...@swbell.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:15:08 -0700, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan)
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...@swbell.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> When I lived in Florida a few years back, I arrived home one evening
> >> >> just after sundown and saw a very large alligator slithering across
> >> >> our front lawn. I was afraid to get close to the beast but after it
> >> >> began moving away I parked the car and went inside to tell my wife
> >> >> about this alligator.
>
> >> >> We both came back out to look at the beast but it was gone and we
> >> >> could find no trace of it. I had ample "evidence" that an alligator
> >> >> had slithered across our front lawn, but I could not transfer this
> >> >> evidence. My wife could either reject my claim or accept it on faith.
>
> >> >As you said, a claim, but not evidence.
>
> >> There was evidence for me, but no transferable evidence. My point was
> >> that there can be, and often is evidence that isn't transferable.
>
> >But there's plenty of evidence that alligators live in Florida, isn't
> >there? So your claim is completely reasonable based on considerable
> >supporting evidence. If your claim was that the baby Jesus had slithered
> >across your front lawn, then that would be a different matter
> >altogether, now wouldn't it?  Believing you saw an alligator on your
> >lawn isn't purely a matter of faith, but believing you saw Jesus would
> >be (and Florida being a hotbed of religulous nutcases, I'm sure someone
> >has made such a claim at some point.) Do you understand the difference?
>
> >Give it a rest, Gordon, we've heard this particular line of argument
> >countless times before. You're not covering any new ground, and you
> >still haven't addressed the basic issue: there is no evidence for the
> >existence of supernatural gods of any sort--reptilian or otherwise.
>
> >"For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son, that
> >whosoever would believe in Him would believe any bullshit you threw at
> >them..."
>
> This was given as merely an illustrative example, showing that not all
> evidence is transferable.
>
> There never was a question as to whether or not alligators exist in
> Florida. That has already been objectively proven, and every rational
> minded person accepts it as truth.
>
> The issue was, did an alligator cross our front lawn? There was ample
> evidence supplied to me. I watched the beast waddle from our driveway,
> across the front lawn then into the street, and I wasn't drunk or high
> on drugs. I was just coming home from work.
>
> But, that evidence supplied to me was not transferable to my wife or
> to my neighbors.  I really don't think anyone doubted me, but, none
> the less, my statement could not be objectively proven because the
> evidence was not transferable.
>
> Gordon

If it was of any importance, such as a crime, then your wife would be
looking for signs such as leg mark or trail in the grass/bush....or
simply scout for it in a likely direction as the time lapse was not
long.
If not important and you are always a liar, then your wife would just
have to brush off what you have just told, unless her children are
outside.
But if you are a gentleman, your wife would be taking your word for
it, instead of investigation.
In any case, your evidence as your "word" has been transferred to her
mind...whether real or false, depending on the circumstances.
And if she is having an affair, she would say:"Hey, go and catch it
for me", hoping that you get swallowed.
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