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Article #13635Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: James Burns
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:58
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:58
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Antares 531 wrote: > On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:02:59 -0700, ben_dolan_III@reet.com > (Ben Dolan) wrote: >>I call bullshit, Gordon. Evidence is by definition >>transferable. What you're talking about isn't evidence, >>it's wishful thinking. You have accepted God's existence >>not on any evidence, but strictly on a deep rooted desire >>that it be true. Not the same thing at all. > > Do you truly love your significant other? Do you have > any evidence of the deep running feelings you have > for him/her? Is this evidence transferable? Gordon What is your "non-transferable evidence" evidence for? Is it evidence that you have deep running feelings for God (setting aside the question of whether or not this being exists)? That's not so complicated. Most folks would just take your word that you feel what you say you feel (assuming that your other words and actions are consistent with that and that you're a reasonably honest fellow with no apparent reason to lie). Are your feelings evidence that God exists? Surely, you agree that this is unreasonable. If you had a significant other in some dangerous locale, maybe climbing Mount Everest, would you wake up each morning and /check your feelings/ to see whether she/he was safe? "Yep, I still love her. She must be OK." Remember, I'm not asking you to transfer your certainty about her safety to me. I'm saying your certainty itself is unreasonable for you to have. Jim Burns
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