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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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> On Jul 8, 10:46 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>> > On Jul 6, 12:55 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> >> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>> On Jul 5, 3:28 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:82172b99-aef0-45bd-b941-e2b2fdb67d4d@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>> On Jul 4, 3:36 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Jul 4, 12:07 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>>news:b5ef084b-b578-47aa-b9bf-1285e1588579@27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 4:15�pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn 
>> >>>>>>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote
>> >>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>> >>>>>> What would you pay for it? I could whip one up for you. I'd make 
>> >>>>>> it with
>> >>>>>> Judas' image, he gets such a bad rap for someone who was utterly 
>> >>>>>> vital
>> >>>>>> to the doctrine.- Hide quoted text -
>> >>>>> Utterly vital? How was Judas Iscariot utterly vital?
>> >>>>> Robert B. Winn
>> >>>> Are you being deliberately dumb?
>> >>>> No Judas- no crucifixion, no crucifixion - no sacrifice-, no 
>> >>>> sacrifice- no
>> >>>> redemption from sin.
>> >>>> I don't subscribe to your silly belief system but at least I could 
>> >>>> work that
>> >>>> one out.
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Steve O
>> >>> Salvation is through Jesus Christ, not through Judas Iscariot. Judas
>> >>> is not going to do you any good.
>> >> No Judas Iscariot, no salvation, because no dead saviour served up on 
>> >> a
>> >> stick for Dad. So, I would've thought that Judas was an important 
>> >> figure
>> >> in your supposed state of grace.- Hide quoted text -
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>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > Well, Judas thinks more like Satan than like God. Maybe that was why
>> > you got confused.
>>
>> So you're saying if this Christ wasn't crucified, there'd be 
>> "salvation"?- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Christ would save those who want to be saved , whatever plan the
> wicked came up with.
> They decided to crucify Him.
> Robert B. Winn

I don't think you quite understand the tenets of your own faith.
It wasn't a plan of the wicked, it was a plan of jesus or God himself.
In order to save mankind, according to the fable, a sacrifice, particularly 
a blood sacrifice was required.
I'll refer you to John 12 ;27
"Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this 
hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour"
This is basically the Jesus character stating that the crucifixion and 
sacrifice is necessary.
At one point, he even asks his Dad if he can be spared from the necessary 
sacrifice, as in Mark 14: 35-36 (take this cup away from me if thou wilt?"


-- 
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence