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On Jul 7, 9:11�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 6, 8:23 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > On Jul 5, 8:36 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 4, 8:25?pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 4, 8:33 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
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> > > > > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 04:29:48 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
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> > > > > in alt.atheism:
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> > > > > >On Jul 3, 10:59 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >> On Jul 4, 12:44 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > > > >> > On Jul 3, 5:32?pm, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> > > > > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > >> > >news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >> > > On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> > > > > >> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > >> > > >news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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> > > > > >> > > > Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more
> > > > > >> > > > miserable in
> > > > > >> > > > the presence of God than with the devils in hell.
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> > > > > >> > > > ===========
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> > > > > >> > > > In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the
> > > > > >> > > > smart choice is
> > > > > >> > > > to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality ....
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> > > > > >> > > No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists
> > > > > >> > > claim
> > > > > >> > > that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent.
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> > > > > >> > > ==========
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> > > > > >> > > Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the
> > > > > >> > > god(s) worshipped
> > > > > >> > > ... or not, as the case may be.
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> > > > > >> > Well, there is no sin in heaven. ?Maybe that is why atheists do
> > > > > >> > not
> > > > > >> > want to go there.
> > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn
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> > > > > >> This is a big lie invented by you, two in fact, please
> > > > > >> acknowledge !
> > > > > >> 1). You are here on earth and not in the heaven, how do you know
> > > > > >> there
> > > > > >> is no sin there?
> > > > > >> 2). No atheist has indicated to you that he does not want to go
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >> heaven, and you put word into his mouth.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > >Jesus Christ said that no person will enter heaven who has not been
> > > > > >cleansed of sin. ?All atheists I have conversed with have told me
> > > > > >they
> > > > > >do not want to enter heaven.
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> > > > > Telling you that heaven does not exist does not mean that they don't
> > > > > want to go there, merely that they aren't going to waste their time
> > > > > hoping for a future in the afterlife when there are things to be
> > > > > done
> > > > > now.
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> > > > > The afterlife is a fake.
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> > > > I would have thought that the heaven where all are controlled is more
> > > > totalitarian than any system on earth? I dread to know the condition
> > > > of those choose to be there when they are not free to speak, to do
> > > > things they want, etc.
> > > > There are always price to pay, in any system, or heaven. As the saying
> > > > goes: Nothing comes free.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > So what you are saying is that if a person chooses not to sin, then
> > > that person is "controlled". The wages of sin is death. So it is
> > > basically a choice betweein life and death. You say that if a person
> > > chooses life, then they are not free to speak , to do the things they
> > > want. What do you think is so free about death?
> > > Robert B. Winn
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> > You are not talking any sense here.
> > What I am saying is that you have a god in the heaven and he is
> > supreme. When a being is supreme, he would give orders for things to
> > be done, or not allowing any thing he is not happy.
> > You can't talk, laugh, eat, smile, wonder around, move, run, look or
> > even breath, unless commanded.
> > Why do you think that's the better place to be?
> > No sane human would want to be there.- Hide quoted text -
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> You have it wrong. �The being you are describing is Satan. �God allows
> people to make their own decisions. �If they make mistakes, He tries
> to give them the correct information. �But after a sufficient time, if
> they are not going to correct themselves, they are left to themselves.
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> You know this, how??
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Why do you ask?  You have already said you deny God, you deny Jesus
Christ, and you worship Ho whack.
So how is it any of your business what I know or what I do?
Robert B. Winn