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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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> On Jul 6, 3:37 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
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>> > On Jul 6, 12:11 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>> >> > On Jul 6, 2:52 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>> >> >> > On Jul 5, 3:17 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>> >> >> >> > On Jul 5, 3:17 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 4, 9:29�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>> >> >> >> >> >>news:2491245c-d5d7-4548-a60c-460baa59d9b4@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sin is what you think it is.
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>> >> >> >> >> >> > I think sin is wilful disobedience to God.
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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>> >> >> >> >> >> In that case, I've never committed a sin.
>> >> >> >> >> >> God has never personally told me to do anything, so how is 
>> >> >> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> >> >> possible
>> >> >> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> >> >> me to disobey him?
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>> >> >> >> >> > Well, Joesf Stalin said something very similar when he 
>> >> >> >> >> > killed
>> >> >> >> >> > 12
>> >> >> >> >> > million people. Atheists justify anything they do by saying
>> >> >> >> >> > there
>> >> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> >> > no God.
>> >> >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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>> >> >> >> >> I don't think you are following the point here.
>> >> >> >> >> I didn't say that there is no God, I said that God has never
>> >> >> >> >> personally
>> >> >> >> >> asked me to do or not do anything and it would therefore be
>> >> >> >> >> impossible
>> >> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> >> me to wilfully disobey him if I have never once received an
>> >> >> >> >> order
>> >> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> >> request
>> >> >> >> >> from him.
>> >> >> >> >> So do you agree that I am sinless, by your definition of sin?
>> >> >> >> > No, the only one who was without sin was Jesus Christ.
>> >> >> >> > Robert B. winn
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>> >> >> >> And me, apparently.
>> >> >> >> Oh, yeah, and the Virgin Mary too, I believe.(not)
>> >> >> > 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, 
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > the truth is not in us.
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>> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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>> >> >> It wasn't me who was saying it- you were the one who was claiming 
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> sinless by YOUR definition of sin.
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>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Steve O
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>> >> > My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God.
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>> >> Exactly!
>> >> I have never, ever once disobeyed God in my entire life.
>> >> I've disobeyed parents, employers, teachers... even the wife once or
>> >> twice,
>> >> but I have never once disobeyed God, just like I have never disobeyed 
>> >> a
>> >> Cornish tap dancer with one glass eye and a pink tutu.
>> >> Having never met either God or the tap dancer or ever having held any
>> >> discussion with either of them directly it would be impossible for me 
>> >> to
>> >> disobey them at all.
>> >> Neither of them have ever directly issued any instructions for me to
>> >> obey.
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>> >> > Bearing false witness about me would fall under the category of 
>> >> > willful
>> >> > disobedience
>> >> > of God.
>> >> > Robert B. Winn
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>> >> No it wouldn't, God has never once instructed or ordered me to never 
>> >> lie
>> >> to
>> >> you, or anyone else for that matter, therefore I have never disobeyed
>> >> him.
>> >> Prove me wrong.
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>> > Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
>> > So you are saying that you were not familiar with that commandment.
>> > This is the first time you have ever heard it.
>> > Robert B. Winn
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>> I am saying no such thing.
>> You don't catch on very quick, do you?
>> I am simply saying that by YOUR definition of sin, I have never sinned, 
>> as I
>> have simply never received an instruction from God to disobey.
>> God did not issue that commandment to me.
>> It was written down by some half- witted goat herder a couple of thousand
>> years ago and cannot be described in any way as an instruction from God.
>> If I have to obey God, I'll take his orders directly, thank you, and not
>> from you or from any sandal wearing half-starved mystic scribe who isn't
>> even alive any more.
>> Once again, if you can prove that I have EVER received an instruction 
>> from
>> God, (which I know for a fact I haven't) then please do so.
>> In the meantime, by your own definition, I am STILL sinless.
>> YOU are the one who is a sinner, since YOU are the one who believes that 
>> God
>> communicates with you, not me.
>> Only YOU can disobey his instructions, because as far as I'm concerned, 
>> I've
>> never received any.
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>> --
>> Steve O
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> Well, your claim is that Jesus Christ never existed, which is an
> atheist fiction.

That's not my claim at all.
My claim is that there is no corroborative evidence outside of the bible 
that Jesus existed, and certainly not in the way he is described.

>  According to Jesus Christ, he was Jehovah, the God
> of the Old Testament.
> Robert B. Winn

Which has exactly what to do with my statement- that according to your 
definition of sin, I am sinless?

-- 
Steve O
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