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Article #13893Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:10
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:10
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On Jul 6, 2:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 6, 12:58 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 5, 2:43 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 4, 8:32 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> On Jul 4, 11:25 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2:54�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Free Lunch wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote > >>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism: > >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> ... > >>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an > >>>>>>>>>>> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not > >>>>>>>>>>> worth considering. > >>>>>>>>>> Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. �If you think He is > >>>>>>>>>> not, �go ahead and try to prove it. > >>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>>>> Please provide any evidence that any claim ever made about God is true. > >>>>>>>> That's too harsh a test. > >>>>>>>> Ples supply any �experimental method that might be able to *disprove* > >>>>>>>> Gods existence. > >>>>>>>> At least with �potentially falsifiable hypothesis, we are onto > >>>>>>>> experimental ground, rather than vague hand waving and assertions, that > >>>>>>>> have no actual content or meaning. > >>>>>>>> A basic definition of what GOD IS would be a start..- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>>>> God is an exalted man. He went through a mortal life the same as we > >>>>>>> are doing. The Bible makes this clear. Jesus Christ said that He was > >>>>>>> doing the exact same things his Father had done. > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>> What is your definition of a man? > >>>>>> If Jesus was a man as you and me, we all would be god departing this > >>>>>> life, why the need to be bigotry? > >>>>>> You really are a confused person, don't write when not taking your > >>>>>> tranquilizer.- Hide quoted text - > >>>>>> - Show quoted text - > >>>>> You will not all be anything departing this life except a spirit. All > >>>>> spirits will be re-united with their bodies in the resurrection and > >>>>> will inherit what they were willing to receive. Those who chose to be > >>>>> atheists will receive the reward of atheists. > >>>> My body probably won't be too flash by that time. Especially if he keeps > >>>> us waiting. And waiting. > >>>> Still, looking forward to that reward, what is it, candy? > >>>> Where is this spirit housed in my body? What is it made of? Can I > >>>> transplant it if my soul gets too dirty?- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Your spirit is made of spirit. You cannot transplant it. > >> That's a self-definition. Can you come up with anything... coherant?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, look spirit up in the dictionary. If you do not believe in > > spirit, then there is no way to explain it to you. > > I looked it up and found lots of vague notions of intermediaries between > body and soul. That kind of nonsense. > > So there is no meaningful definition of "spirit" in reality? You made a > positive claim about my "spirit", then choosing to define it in terms of > itself. A kind of "spirit is spirit, what's wrong with you" argument. > I'm none the wiser as to what you're actually referring to.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, OK. I could point out a few things, for instance, spirit of anger, spirit of contention, etc. So what do you atheists do to tell someone is angry, just look to see if their face gets red? I personally can feel the spirit of the thing. The way you atheists do it, someone could be having a heatstroke, and you would just think they were angry. Robert B. Winn
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