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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 6, 2:13 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 6, 12:58 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 5, 2:43 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 8:32 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 11:25 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2:54�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth considering.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. �If you think He is
>>>>>>>>>>>> not, �go ahead and try to prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>> Please provide any evidence that any claim ever made about God is true.
>>>>>>>>>> That's too harsh a test.
>>>>>>>>>> Ples supply any �experimental method that might be able to *disprove*
>>>>>>>>>> Gods existence.
>>>>>>>>>> At least with �potentially falsifiable hypothesis, we are onto
>>>>>>>>>> experimental ground, rather than vague hand waving and assertions, that
>>>>>>>>>> have no actual content or meaning.
>>>>>>>>>> A basic definition of what GOD IS would be a start..- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>>>> God is an exalted man.  He went through a mortal life the same as we
>>>>>>>>> are doing.  The Bible makes this clear.  Jesus Christ said that He was
>>>>>>>>> doing the exact same things his Father had done.
>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>> What is your definition of a man?
>>>>>>>> If Jesus was a man as you and me, we all would be god departing this
>>>>>>>> life, why the need to be bigotry?
>>>>>>>> You really are a confused person, don't write when not taking your
>>>>>>>> tranquilizer.- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>> You will not all be anything departing this life except a spirit.  All
>>>>>>> spirits will be re-united with their bodies in the resurrection and
>>>>>>> will inherit what they were willing to receive.  Those who chose to be
>>>>>>> atheists will receive the reward of atheists.
>>>>>> My body probably won't be too flash by that time. Especially if he keeps
>>>>>> us waiting. And waiting.
>>>>>> Still, looking forward to that reward, what is it, candy?
>>>>>> Where is this spirit housed in my body? What is it made of? Can I
>>>>>> transplant it if my soul gets too dirty?- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>> Your spirit is made of spirit.  You cannot transplant it.
>>>> That's a self-definition. Can you come up with anything... coherant?- Hide quoted text -
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>>> Well, look spirit up in the dictionary.  If you do not believe in
>>> spirit, then there is no way to explain it to you.
>> I looked it up and found lots of vague notions of intermediaries between
>> body and soul. That kind of nonsense.
>>
>> So there is no meaningful definition of "spirit" in reality? You made a
>> positive claim about my "spirit", then choosing to define it in terms of
>> itself. A kind of "spirit is spirit, what's wrong with you" argument.
>> I'm none the wiser as to what you're actually referring to.- Hide quoted text -
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> 
> Well, OK.  I could point out a few things, for instance, spirit of
> anger, spirit of contention, etc.  So what do you atheists do to tell
> someone is angry, just look to see if their face gets red?  I
> personally can feel the spirit of the thing.  The way you atheists do
> it, someone could be having a heatstroke, and you would just think
> they were angry.

I don't talk about a "spirit of anger", although I see lots of that kind 
of rhetoric on TBN. Unless some (external) consciousness can be 
demonstrated, then it's just a personification of a natural phenomenon. 
That's just what religions do! :-)

Do you believe that something supernatural is occuring when someone is 
angry, that is absent when they simply get heatstroke?

I don't personally have difficulty with telling the two apart, it has 
nothing to do with somehow detecting some "essence" or "force", it's a 
simple case of observation.