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Free Lunch wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:59:50 +1200, BuddyThunder
> <nospam@paradise.net.nz> wrote in alt.atheism:
> 
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 6, 12:57 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 5, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 8:37?pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 11:32 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:26:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2:57 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 4:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth considering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. ?If you think He is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not, ?go ahead and try to prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please provide any evidence that any claim ever made about God is true.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, there is an earthen ramp that the Assyrian army built to get
>>>>>>>>>>>> over the city wall at Lachish.
>>>>>>>>>>> So? I have built several earthen ramps.
>>>>>>>>>>> Am I then God?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists do not believe in the earthen ramp.
>>>>>>>>>>> well firstly that is false, because I do believe in earthen ramps,
>>>>>>>>>>> having built many, and I am an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>> And secondly what has the fact that ?person B may or may not believe
>>>>>>>>>>> statement X, have to do with the existence, or not, of personality Z?
>>>>>>>>>> God did not build the earthen ramp. ?The Assyrian army did. ?God would
>>>>>>>>>> have preferred that they did not build it and had left the city of
>>>>>>>>>> Lachish and its inhabitants alone.
>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that God was powerless to stop them?
>>>>>>>> The bible contains enormous mistakes to glorify god yet plainly
>>>>>>>> telling us that god is a useless being.
>>>>>>>> The early Jews who wrote it were not educated, or might be drunk. Yes,
>>>>>>>> more drunk than wake.- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>> Well, as you say, if you think God is a useless being, then you will
>>>>>>> choose to be with the beings you think of as being useful, other
>>>>>>> atheists.
>>>>>> So you concede there are many mistakes or untruths in the Bible then?- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>> Why does it depend on me?   The Bible is what it is.  If you do not
>>>>> like the Bible, read something else.
>>>> No answer? I just wanted to know how reliable you thought the Bible was.
>>>> I know it to be full of errors and distortions, just wondered what your
>>>> position on it was. You seem to think it better than other sacred texts
>>>> for some reason.- Hide quoted text -
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>>> I think the Bible is very reliable.  The Jews were very meticulous as
>>> far as preserving ancient writings.  For instance, the Dead Sea
>>> scrolls of Isaiah are a good example of how accurately the Bible was
>>> translated.
>> The Bible was very accurately transcribed - for humans. They did an 
>> amazing job. Not a perfect job, there are lots of differences between 
>> the early versions we have, but not bad for a bunch of people.
>>
>> It's the content that I find even less reliable though, that's what I 
>> was driving at, and I think you know that.
>>
>> Much reported as history in the Bible simply never happened. No global 
>> flood, no special creation, no exodus...
> 
> Yes, copying a mistake faithfully does not make the mistake go away.

Well, quite!