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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: Smiler
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:33
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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On Jul 6, 2:52 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > On Jul 5, 3:17 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> >> > On Jul 5, 3:17 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> >> >>news:58898c9c-aad4-4d16-8b51-5ee0f0b2a835@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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> >> >> > On Jul 4, 9:29?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> >>news:2491245c-d5d7-4548-a60c-460baa59d9b4@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
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> >> >> >> >> Sin is what you think it is.
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> >> >> >> > I think sin is wilful disobedience to God.
> >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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> >> >> >> In that case, I've never committed a sin.
> >> >> >> God has never personally told me to do anything, so how is it
> >> >> >> possible
> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> me to disobey him?
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> >> >> > Well, Joesf Stalin said something very similar when he killed 12
> >> >> > million people. Atheists justify anything they do by saying there 
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > no God.
> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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> >> >> I don't think you are following the point here.
> >> >> I didn't say that there is no God, I said that God has never
> >> >> personally
> >> >> asked me to do or not do anything and it would therefore be 
> >> >> impossible
> >> >> for
> >> >> me to wilfully disobey him if I have never once received an order or
> >> >> request
> >> >> from him.
> >> >> So do you agree that I am sinless, by your definition of sin?
> >> > No, the only one who was without sin was Jesus Christ.
> >> > Robert B. winn
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> >> And me, apparently.
> >> Oh, yeah, and the Virgin Mary too, I believe.(not)
> > 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
> > the truth is not in us.
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> > Robert B. Winn
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> It wasn't me who was saying it- you were the one who was claiming that I 
> was
> sinless by YOUR definition of sin.
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> --
> Steve O

My definition
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Ho! <whack>

Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279 
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