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Article #13927Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: hhyapster
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:33
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:33
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On Jul 5, 6:17 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:58898c9c-aad4-4d16-8b51-5ee0f0b2a835@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Jul 4, 9:29�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:2491245c-d5d7-4548-a60c-460baa59d9b4@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> Sin is what you think it is. > > >> > I think sin is wilful disobedience to God. > >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> In that case, I've never committed a sin. > >> God has never personally told me to do anything, so how is it possible > >> for > >> me to disobey him? > > > Well, Joesf Stalin said something very similar when he killed 12 > > million people. Atheists justify anything they do by saying there is > > no God. > > Robert B. Winn > > I don't think you are following the point here. > I didn't say that there is no God, I said that God has never personally > asked me to do or not do anything and it would therefore be impossible for > me to wilfully disobey him if I have never once received an order or request > from him. > So do you agree that I am sinless, by your definition of sin? > > -- > Steve O > a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) > B.A.A.W.A. > Convicted by Earthquack, > Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence Steve, I think you have presented your points incorrectly. First of all, being an atheist, we don't subscribe to a god and therefore we cannot say :"I didn't say there is no god...". There is no god, period. Secondly, we know that sin, in christianity, was a characteristic of human, the doing of their god. We are to question the logic of this presence when their god should not have provided in the first place....then get Jesus to died for it. It just plain senseless, amounting to meaningless.
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