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Article #14085Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Steve O
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:23
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:23
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:03bf56d3-b444-4a0c-998b-880bcd9a17d9@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 4, 9:35�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> news:2efb0043-fcce-424b-9881-> >> >> >> God has never commanded me to do anything at any time. >> I've never even met the guy. >> Therefore, I have never disobeyed him. >> As it is your belief that sin is when someone disobeys God, then I have >> never sinned. >> So does that mean I get to go to heaven? >> >> -- >> Steve O > > No, atheists like you and Josef Stalin do not accept the atonement of > Christ for your sins. You have already claimed that I have committed no sin, because by your definition, sin is the wilful disobedience of God I have never wilfully disobeyed God because I have never once received any command, request or instruction from him. If I have never sinned, then I have no sins to atone for, therefore you are wrong. > Therefore you have to pay the penalty for them > yourself. What sins? How can I pay a penalty for sins I have never committed? You haven't really thought this one out, have you? You are either going to have to disagree that your definition of sin is wrong, or I have never committed a sin. Which one is it? -- Steve O a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) B.A.A.W.A. Convicted by Earthquack, Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
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