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On Jul 4, 2:50 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 3, 1:17 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Jul 3, 12:41 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 3, 9:21�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>>>>> The Loan Arranger wrote:
> >>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> (HUGE amount of unnecessary quoting snipped)
> >>>>>>>> The Gnostiocs wrote a bunch of garbage about their theory that Jesus
> >>>>>>>> Christ did not suffer or die on the cross because he was a God. �They
> >>>>>>>> were trying to combine Christianity with Greek mythology.
> >>>>>>> The Catholic Church, on the other hand, tried to merge it with as many
> >>>>>>> different contemporary religions as possible, in order to make
> >>>>>>> Christianity an easier pill to swallow for "pagan" worshippers. At least
> >>>>>>> the Gnostics had the style to call on classical influences!
> >>>>>> All the Gnostics said was you didn't need all this doctrine and dogma,
> >>>>>> you could 'know' god directly.
> >>>>>> \
> >>>>>> Which is the sense I suspect they meant it, is of course true.
> >>>>>> Howver that didn;tr sut te Romans, who didn't really care about any god
> >>>>>> at all: they wanted unification, ciilization, and pacification, and a
> >>>>>> sword in one hand and a bible in the other was perfect: If you could
> >>>>>> meld that into whatever local nature spirits the Druids had going, so
> >>>>>> much the better.
> >>>>>> There have always been a host of angels, urges and demi-urges and
> >>>>>> latterly saints, to paste over the original pagan gods.
> >>>>>> Any you found antisocial, became devils and demons, of course.
> >>>>>> For a so-called �monotheistic religion, there are a lot of powerful
> >>>>>> beings in the Xtian pantheon ;-)
> >>>>> What do you mean "all the Gnostics said"?   The Gnostics said that
> >>>>> Jesus Christ did not suffer on the cross because he was a God.
> >>>> You should go and check EXACTLY what they said. You do not seem to know.
> >>>>   They
> >>>>> were apostate Christians.
> >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
> >>> I know EXACTLY what they said because I have read some of their
> >>> writings.  They were very mystical depictions of light, spirits, etc.,
> >>> for the most part, all very mysterious,  but their greatest deviation
> >>> from Christianity was their belief that Jesus Christ did not suffer
> >>> and die because he was a God.
> >> Rather than THE god?
>
> >> seems a shame to murder em all just because of an indefinite article..
>
> >>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text -
> > Gnostics were killed under the Romans because they were Christians,
> > not because they were apostate Christians.
> > Robert B. Winn
>
> Google 'Manichean' and read the wiki article.
>
> For an avowed Christian, you seem to know very little about the history
> of  Christianity.
>
> Still, ignorance and faith go hand in hand. So I am not surprised. A man
> with Faith beleives he already knows everything he needs, and further
> study is unnecessary. One of the major drawbacks of that particular
> spiritual crutch.- Hide quoted text -
>
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Well, as I said, probably the worst persecution of this particular
group of Gnostics came under the Emperor Diocletian, as was true of
other Christians also.  Once the Catholics became predominant, they
persecuted all other religions, including Gnostics.  As I said before,
Gnostics were noted for their mystical writings and for their
disbelief in the death of Christ.
Robert B. Winn