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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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> On Jul 2, 10:11 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
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>> > On Jul 2, 1:14 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>> >> > On Jul 1, 1:11 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>> >> >> > On Jul 1, 4:01�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> Anyway, while we are here, have you ever read the King Follet
>> >> >> >> >> Discourse?
>> >> >> >> >> Could you explain to me why you believe that God has always 
>> >> >> >> >> been
>> >> >> >> >> God
>> >> >> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> bible claims and why your main prophet believes otherwise as
>> >> >> >> >> outlined
>> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> discourses?
>> >> >> >> >> The only reason I ask this is that as I understand it, it's a
>> >> >> >> >> complete
>> >> >> >> >> mind-fuck for most Mormons like yourself.
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>> >> >> >> > Well, you seem to have really worked yourself up about it. 
>> >> >> >> > �Why
>> >> >> >> > don't
>> >> >> >> > you write to Salt Lake City and get an official answer from
>> >> >> >> > church
>> >> >> >> > authorities?
>> >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
>>
>> >> >> >> What makes you imagine I'm worked up about it?
>> >> >> >> Are you projecting?
>> >> >> >> I already know what the Mormon Authorities have to say on the
>> >> >> >> subject.
>> >> >> >> So I'm asking you, but all you are doing is avoiding the 
>> >> >> >> question,
>> >> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> expected.
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>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Steve O
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>> >> >> > Well, if you already have the official answer from the church, 
>> >> >> > why
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > you asking me?
>> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
>>
>> >> >> Because I would be interested in knowing how you manage to 
>> >> >> reconcile
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> teachings of Joseph Smith with the teachings of the bible, which, 
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> comes to the basic characteristics of the Christian God, are
>> >> >> completely
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> opposition.
>> >> >> Actually, to be truthful, I really highlighted this point because I 
>> >> >> am
>> >> >> aware
>> >> >> it is a source of embarrassment for Mormons like yourself who are
>> >> >> generally
>> >> >> instructed not to tell people about this kind of stuff while they 
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> out
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> missionary duties.
>> >> >> As a 60 yr old Mormon, I would expect you to know about the King
>> >> >> Follet
>> >> >> Discourse, or am I wrong?
>> >> >> So, how about it?
>> >> >> So, anyway, has God always been God, or was God once a man who
>> >> >> progressed
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> a God, as Smith claims in the King Follet Discourse, and is it
>> >> >> possible
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> Mormon men like yourself to become a God?
>> >> >> Once again, I expect you to run away from this question, as you 
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> already
>> >> >> shown.
>>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Steve O
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>> >> > Well, the King Follet discourse was a funeral eulogy, not church
>> >> > doctrine.
>>
>> >> He was the founding prophet of your faith.
>> >> It's interesting to hear that Smith's doctrine does not align with the
>> >> doctrine of the church.
>> >> Must be a tremendous source of confusion for your elders
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>> >> >The teachings of Joseph Smith with regard to the basic
>> >> > characteristics of the Christian God are that God has a body of 
>> >> > flesh
>> >> > and bones as tangible as man's, his Son Jesus Christ also, but the
>> >> > Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of
>> >> > spirit. These three consititute the Godhead. These teachings are
>> >> > different from the rest of Christianity who follow the Nicene creed 
>> >> > as
>> >> > a description of God and Jesus Christ, which was the result of a
>> >> > council called by the Emperor Constantine to unite Christian leaders
>> >> > and eliminate differences in their teachings.
>> >> > Robert B. Winn
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>> >> So once again, if God has the body and flesh of a man, or at least 
>> >> once
>> >> did,
>> >> then why does the Christian bible claim that he has always been God, 
>> >> and
>> >> is
>> >> God , rather than a man?
>> >> I'd also be interested in hearing if you agree that Mormons (Mormon 
>> >> men
>> >> only) can also become a God, as Smith mentioned in his discourses.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Steve O
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>> > God has eternal life, something atheists do not believe in and do not
>> > want. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches that
>> > members will inherit all that the Father hath if they are faithful,
>> > which means that members of the church will also inherit eternal
>> > life. So members of the church can become like God, something that
>> > was commanded also in the New Testament. Be ye therefore perfect,
>> > even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect. So there is
>> > nothing new in any of these doctrines. They were taught by Jesus
>> > Christ in his lifetime.
>> > Robert B. Winn
>>
>> So this magic ability only works for Mormon men, right?
>>
>> --
>> Steve O
>
> I do not really know what you are asking about.  Why don't you write
> to church headquarters in Salt Lake City and get an official answer
> from church authorities, or go to the church website.  I think there
> is a place where they answer questions like that.
> Robert B. Winn

Nice dodge.
Don't want to let the women know, right?
I understand....


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Steve O
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B.A.A.W.A.
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Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
"I have a miraculous picture of Jesus - if you look really closely at the 
face, you can see a burnt tortilla"