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Article #14182Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:48
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:48
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On Jul 3, 9:36 am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 3, 9:00�am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > > >> (HUGE amount of unnecessary quoting snipped) > > >>> The Gnostiocs wrote a bunch of garbage about their theory that Jesus > >>> Christ did not suffer or die on the cross because he was a God. �They > >>> were trying to combine Christianity with Greek mythology. > >> The Catholic Church, on the other hand, tried to merge it with as many > >> different contemporary religions as possible, in order to make > >> Christianity an easier pill to swallow for "pagan" worshippers. At least > >> the Gnostics had the style to call on classical influences! > > > That is correct about the Catholic Church. Fortunately, they were > > able to keep the Bible pretty much intact. > > That's "intact" in the sense of "as close as possible what Athanasius > chose in order to further his own agendas and those of some factions of > the early Christian church," of course. > > There was a lot of good but politically inconvenient stuff thrown out, > and replaced with the scrawlings of a tax collector with a barbequed > ass, who had never been near The Man Himself but seemed to think he had > a hotline to Jesus. > > Take a look at the Pseudepigrapha at some point. A good source iswww.pseudepigrapha.com. They're a bit eye-opening, and fill in a deal of > detail that's simply missing from the Bible but carried through in > Christian lore regardless. It's entertaining to work out quite how > different the Christian Church would be today if different (better IMHO) > choices had been made at Hippo. > > "Intact" is relative. > What difference would it make to an atheist? Weren't you claiming that this was all myth? Church leaders from the beginning had to contend with uninspired people writing things seeking to gain position and authority in the church. Once the Apostles were gone, there was no further control over it. However, there were still people who could decide, this is legitimate, this is garbage. So today we have what we have as the Bible. There is still garbage in the Bible. The Song of Solomon is garbage. Robert B. Winn
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