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On Jul 2, 5:28�pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:48:22 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism
> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in
> <d0006342-ae9e-4491-937f-762ecf238...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>:
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> >On Jul 2, 1:14�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> >>news:b9c4c4a2-ed86-4b04-b8a8-96c31e5d0076@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
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> >> > On Jul 1, 1:11 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> >> >>news:348e1c43-660e-47e1-a05f-d01e45fed2c3@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
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> >> >> > On Jul 1, 4:01?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Anyway, while we are here, have you ever read the King Follet
> >> >> >> >> Discourse?
> >> >> >> >> Could you explain to me why you believe that God has always been
> >> >> >> >> God
> >> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> bible claims and why your main prophet believes otherwise as
> >> >> >> >> outlined
> >> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> discourses?
> >> >> >> >> The only reason I ask this is that as I understand it, it's a
> >> >> >> >> complete
> >> >> >> >> mind-fuck for most Mormons like yourself.
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> >> >> >> > Well, you seem to have really worked yourself up about it. ?Why
> >> >> >> > don't
> >> >> >> > you write to Salt Lake City and get an official answer from church
> >> >> >> > authorities?
> >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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> >> >> >> What makes you imagine I'm worked up about it?
> >> >> >> Are you projecting?
> >> >> >> I already know what the Mormon Authorities have to say on the subject.
> >> >> >> So I'm asking you, but all you are doing is avoiding the question, as
> >> >> >> expected.
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> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Steve O
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> >> >> > Well, if you already have the official answer from the church, why are
> >> >> > you asking me?
> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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> >> >> Because I would be interested in knowing how you manage to reconcile the
> >> >> teachings of Joseph Smith with the teachings of the bible, which, when it
> >> >> comes to the basic characteristics of the Christian God, are completely
> >> >> in
> >> >> opposition.
> >> >> Actually, to be truthful, I really highlighted this point because I am
> >> >> aware
> >> >> it is a source of embarrassment for Mormons like yourself who are
> >> >> generally
> >> >> instructed not to tell people about this kind of stuff while they are out
> >> >> on
> >> >> missionary duties.
> >> >> As a 60 yr old Mormon, I would expect you to know about the King Follet
> >> >> Discourse, or am I wrong?
> >> >> So, how about it?
> >> >> So, anyway, has God always been God, or was God once a man who progressed
> >> >> to
> >> >> a God, as Smith claims in the King Follet Discourse, and is it possible
> >> >> for
> >> >> Mormon men like yourself to become a God?
> >> >> Once again, I expect you to run away from this question, as you have
> >> >> already
> >> >> shown.
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> >> >> --
> >> >> Steve O
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> >> > Well, the King Follet discourse was a funeral eulogy, not church
> >> > doctrine.
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> >> He was the founding prophet of your faith.
> >> It's interesting to hear that Smith's doctrine does not align with the
> >> doctrine of the church.
> >> Must be a tremendous source of confusion for your elders
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> >> >The teachings of Joseph Smith with regard to the basic
> >> > characteristics of the Christian God are that God has a body of flesh
> >> > and bones as tangible as man's, his Son Jesus Christ also, but the
> >> > Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of
> >> > spirit. �These three consititute the Godhead. �These teachings are
> >> > different from the rest of Christianity who follow the Nicene creed as
> >> > a description of God and Jesus Christ, which was the result of a
> >> > council called by the Emperor Constantine to unite Christian leaders
> >> > and eliminate differences in their teachings.
> >> > Robert B. Winn
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> >> So once again, if God has the body and flesh of a man, or at least once did,
> >> then why does the Christian bible claim that he has always been God, and is
> >> God , rather than a man?
> >> I'd also be interested in hearing if you agree that Mormons (Mormon men
> >> only) can also become a God, as Smith mentioned in his discourses.
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> >> --
> >> Steve O
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> >God has eternal life,
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> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an
> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not
> worth considering.
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Well, I consider God to be sufficient support.  If you think He is
not,  go ahead and try to prove it.
Robert B. Winn