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On Jul 2, 8:47 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 2, 1:14 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:b9c4c4a2-ed86-4b04-b8a8-96c31e5d0076@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> On Jul 1, 1:11 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:348e1c43-660e-47e1-a05f-d01e45fed2c3@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> On Jul 1, 4:01�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Anyway, while we are here, have you ever read the King Follet
> >>>>>>>> Discourse?
> >>>>>>>> Could you explain to me why you believe that God has always been
> >>>>>>>> God
> >>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> bible claims and why your main prophet believes otherwise as
> >>>>>>>> outlined
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> discourses?
> >>>>>>>> The only reason I ask this is that as I understand it, it's a
> >>>>>>>> complete
> >>>>>>>> mind-fuck for most Mormons like yourself.
> >>>>>>> Well, you seem to have really worked yourself up about it. �Why
> >>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>> you write to Salt Lake City and get an official answer from church
> >>>>>>> authorities?
> >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>>>> What makes you imagine I'm worked up about it?
> >>>>>> Are you projecting?
> >>>>>> I already know what the Mormon Authorities have to say on the subject.
> >>>>>> So I'm asking you, but all you are doing is avoiding the question, as
> >>>>>> expected.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>> Well, if you already have the official answer from the church, why are
> >>>>> you asking me?
> >>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>> Because I would be interested in knowing how you manage to reconcile the
> >>>> teachings of Joseph Smith with the teachings of the bible, which, when it
> >>>> comes to the basic characteristics of the Christian God, are completely
> >>>> in
> >>>> opposition.
> >>>> Actually, to be truthful, I really highlighted this point because I am
> >>>> aware
> >>>> it is a source of embarrassment for Mormons like yourself who are
> >>>> generally
> >>>> instructed not to tell people about this kind of stuff while they are out
> >>>> on
> >>>> missionary duties.
> >>>> As a 60 yr old Mormon, I would expect you to know about the King Follet
> >>>> Discourse, or am I wrong?
> >>>> So, how about it?
> >>>> So, anyway, has God always been God, or was God once a man who progressed
> >>>> to
> >>>> a God, as Smith claims in the King Follet Discourse, and is it possible
> >>>> for
> >>>> Mormon men like yourself to become a God?
> >>>> Once again, I expect you to run away from this question, as you have
> >>>> already
> >>>> shown.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Steve O
> >>> Well, the King Follet discourse was a funeral eulogy, not church
> >>> doctrine.
> >> He was the founding prophet of your faith.
> >> It's interesting to hear that Smith's doctrine does not align with the
> >> doctrine of the church.
> >> Must be a tremendous source of confusion for your elders
>
> >>> The teachings of Joseph Smith with regard to the basic
> >>> characteristics of the Christian God are that God has a body of flesh
> >>> and bones as tangible as man's, his Son Jesus Christ also, but the
> >>> Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of
> >>> spirit.  These three consititute the Godhead.  These teachings are
> >>> different from the rest of Christianity who follow the Nicene creed as
> >>> a description of God and Jesus Christ, which was the result of a
> >>> council called by the Emperor Constantine to unite Christian leaders
> >>> and eliminate differences in their teachings.
> >>> Robert B. Winn
> >> So once again, if God has the body and flesh of a man, or at least once did,
> >> then why does the Christian bible claim that he has always been God, and is
> >> God , rather than a man?
> >> I'd also be interested in hearing if you agree that Mormons (Mormon men
> >> only) can also become a God, as Smith mentioned in his discourses.
>
> >> --
> >> Steve O
>
> > God has eternal life, something atheists do not believe in and do not
> > want.  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches that
> > members will inherit all that the Father hath if they are faithful,
> > which means that members of the church will also inherit eternal
> > life.  So members of the church can become like God, something that
> > was commanded also in the New Testament.   Be ye therefore perfect,
> > even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect.  So there is
> > nothing new in any of these doctrines.  They were taught by Jesus
> > Christ in his lifetime.
>
> We would probably want it if it could be shown to be anything other than
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Well, according to scripture, atheists will want it in the end, but it
will be too late, so they will be weeping , wailing,and gnashing their
teeth.
Robert B. Winn