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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 2, 1:14 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Jul 1, 1:11 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:348e1c43-660e-47e1-a05f-d01e45fed2c3@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Jul 1, 4:01�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Anyway, while we are here, have you ever read the King Follet
>>>>>>>> Discourse?
>>>>>>>> Could you explain to me why you believe that God has always been
>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> bible claims and why your main prophet believes otherwise as
>>>>>>>> outlined
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> discourses?
>>>>>>>> The only reason I ask this is that as I understand it, it's a
>>>>>>>> complete
>>>>>>>> mind-fuck for most Mormons like yourself.
>>>>>>> Well, you seem to have really worked yourself up about it. �Why
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> you write to Salt Lake City and get an official answer from church
>>>>>>> authorities?
>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>> What makes you imagine I'm worked up about it?
>>>>>> Are you projecting?
>>>>>> I already know what the Mormon Authorities have to say on the subject.
>>>>>> So I'm asking you, but all you are doing is avoiding the question, as
>>>>>> expected.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>> Well, if you already have the official answer from the church, why are
>>>>> you asking me?
>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>> Because I would be interested in knowing how you manage to reconcile the
>>>> teachings of Joseph Smith with the teachings of the bible, which, when it
>>>> comes to the basic characteristics of the Christian God, are completely
>>>> in
>>>> opposition.
>>>> Actually, to be truthful, I really highlighted this point because I am
>>>> aware
>>>> it is a source of embarrassment for Mormons like yourself who are
>>>> generally
>>>> instructed not to tell people about this kind of stuff while they are out
>>>> on
>>>> missionary duties.
>>>> As a 60 yr old Mormon, I would expect you to know about the King Follet
>>>> Discourse, or am I wrong?
>>>> So, how about it?
>>>> So, anyway, has God always been God, or was God once a man who progressed
>>>> to
>>>> a God, as Smith claims in the King Follet Discourse, and is it possible
>>>> for
>>>> Mormon men like yourself to become a God?
>>>> Once again, I expect you to run away from this question, as you have
>>>> already
>>>> shown.
>>>> --
>>>> Steve O
>>> Well, the King Follet discourse was a funeral eulogy, not church
>>> doctrine.
>> He was the founding prophet of your faith.
>> It's interesting to hear that Smith's doctrine does not align with the
>> doctrine of the church.
>> Must be a tremendous source of confusion for your elders
>>
>>> The teachings of Joseph Smith with regard to the basic
>>> characteristics of the Christian God are that God has a body of flesh
>>> and bones as tangible as man's, his Son Jesus Christ also, but the
>>> Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of
>>> spirit.  These three consititute the Godhead.  These teachings are
>>> different from the rest of Christianity who follow the Nicene creed as
>>> a description of God and Jesus Christ, which was the result of a
>>> council called by the Emperor Constantine to unite Christian leaders
>>> and eliminate differences in their teachings.
>>> Robert B. Winn
>> So once again, if God has the body and flesh of a man, or at least once did,
>> then why does the Christian bible claim that he has always been God, and is
>> God , rather than a man?
>> I'd also be interested in hearing if you agree that Mormons (Mormon men
>> only) can also become a God, as Smith mentioned in his discourses.
>>
>> --
>> Steve O
> 
> God has eternal life, something atheists do not believe in and do not
> want.  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches that
> members will inherit all that the Father hath if they are faithful,
> which means that members of the church will also inherit eternal
> life.  So members of the church can become like God, something that
> was commanded also in the New Testament.   Be ye therefore perfect,
> even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect.  So there is
> nothing new in any of these doctrines.  They were taught by Jesus
> Christ in his lifetime.

We would probably want it if it could be shown to be anything other than 
wishful thinking.