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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:48:22 -0700 (PDT), in alt.atheism 
rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in
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>On Jul 2, 1:14�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>> > On Jul 1, 1:11 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>> >> > On Jul 1, 4:01?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> Anyway, while we are here, have you ever read the King Follet
>> >> >> >> Discourse?
>> >> >> >> Could you explain to me why you believe that God has always been
>> >> >> >> God
>> >> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> bible claims and why your main prophet believes otherwise as
>> >> >> >> outlined
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> discourses?
>> >> >> >> The only reason I ask this is that as I understand it, it's a
>> >> >> >> complete
>> >> >> >> mind-fuck for most Mormons like yourself.
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>> >> >> > Well, you seem to have really worked yourself up about it. ?Why
>> >> >> > don't
>> >> >> > you write to Salt Lake City and get an official answer from church
>> >> >> > authorities?
>> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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>> >> >> What makes you imagine I'm worked up about it?
>> >> >> Are you projecting?
>> >> >> I already know what the Mormon Authorities have to say on the subject.
>> >> >> So I'm asking you, but all you are doing is avoiding the question, as
>> >> >> expected.
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>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Steve O
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>> >> > Well, if you already have the official answer from the church, why are
>> >> > you asking me?
>> >> > Robert B. Winn
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>> >> Because I would be interested in knowing how you manage to reconcile the
>> >> teachings of Joseph Smith with the teachings of the bible, which, when it
>> >> comes to the basic characteristics of the Christian God, are completely
>> >> in
>> >> opposition.
>> >> Actually, to be truthful, I really highlighted this point because I am
>> >> aware
>> >> it is a source of embarrassment for Mormons like yourself who are
>> >> generally
>> >> instructed not to tell people about this kind of stuff while they are out
>> >> on
>> >> missionary duties.
>> >> As a 60 yr old Mormon, I would expect you to know about the King Follet
>> >> Discourse, or am I wrong?
>> >> So, how about it?
>> >> So, anyway, has God always been God, or was God once a man who progressed
>> >> to
>> >> a God, as Smith claims in the King Follet Discourse, and is it possible
>> >> for
>> >> Mormon men like yourself to become a God?
>> >> Once again, I expect you to run away from this question, as you have
>> >> already
>> >> shown.
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>> >> --
>> >> Steve O
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>> > Well, the King Follet discourse was a funeral eulogy, not church
>> > doctrine.
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>> He was the founding prophet of your faith.
>> It's interesting to hear that Smith's doctrine does not align with the
>> doctrine of the church.
>> Must be a tremendous source of confusion for your elders
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>> >The teachings of Joseph Smith with regard to the basic
>> > characteristics of the Christian God are that God has a body of flesh
>> > and bones as tangible as man's, his Son Jesus Christ also, but the
>> > Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of
>> > spirit. �These three consititute the Godhead. �These teachings are
>> > different from the rest of Christianity who follow the Nicene creed as
>> > a description of God and Jesus Christ, which was the result of a
>> > council called by the Emperor Constantine to unite Christian leaders
>> > and eliminate differences in their teachings.
>> > Robert B. Winn
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>> So once again, if God has the body and flesh of a man, or at least once did,
>> then why does the Christian bible claim that he has always been God, and is
>> God , rather than a man?
>> I'd also be interested in hearing if you agree that Mormons (Mormon men
>> only) can also become a God, as Smith mentioned in his discourses.
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>> --
>> Steve O
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>God has eternal life,

Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an
indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not
worth considering.

>something atheists do not believe in and do not
>want.  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches that
>members will inherit all that the Father hath if they are faithful,
>which means that members of the church will also inherit eternal
>life.  So members of the church can become like God, something that
>was commanded also in the New Testament.   Be ye therefore perfect,
>even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect.  So there is
>nothing new in any of these doctrines.  They were taught by Jesus
>Christ in his lifetime.
>Robert B. Winn