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Article #14279Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Smiler
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:25
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:25
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:e9047a34-efb7-4c97-bee2-b6347b86f5f4@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Jun 29, 12:26?am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote: > Smiler wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >news:065060a2-b02e-4232-84f0-e35b7411dcd2@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > > On Jun 27, 9:05 am, mizlee <miz...@aol.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 27, 8:49 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >>> On Jun 27, 12:31 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 26, 1:09?pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: > >>>>>> W.A. Sawford wrote: > >>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 5:05? am, RobertL <robertml...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 4:48? am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 7:27?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Well, if no one proved it, then it was not proven. ? All you have > >>>>>>>> done > >>>>>>>> is to say it was proven without showing any proof or anyone who > >>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>> suppsed to have done it. ?Atheists have said they have proven all > >>>>>>>> manner of things. ?Almost always it turns out to be something > >>>>>>>> some > >>>>>>>> individual atheist put together that sounds good to other > >>>>>>>> atheists. > >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>> I wasn't going to get involved in all this (unless it's Friday, > >>>>>>> which it > >>>>>>> isn't) but I can't stand it any longer (sigh). > >>>>>>> 'Atheists have said they have proven all manner of things.' > >>>>>>> Well, what exactly have they claimed to have proved, and which > >>>>>>> atheists > >>>>>>> have claimed it? ?Atheists don't actually need to 'prove' > >>>>>>> anything, > >>>>>>> because there is not a shred of evidence that god exists in the > >>>>>>> first > >>>>>>> place. The onus is not on atheists to prove the non-existence of > >>>>>>> god any > >>>>>>> more than the non-existence of the ravening bug-blatter beast of > >>>>>>> Traal. > >>>>>> Completely wrong. The concept of God is not a scientific hypotheis, > >>>>>> nor > >>>>>> a fact. > >>>>>> So it can't be proven or disproven. > >>>>>> Its simply a shorthand for 'all the wide and wonderful stuff we > >>>>>> cant get > >>>>>> a handle on; and feel scared by' more or less. > >>>>>> Atheism isn't so much denying His existence, nor yet keeping and > >>>>>> open > >>>>>> mind on the subject (agnostic) its merely sidestepping the whole > >>>>>> mess as > >>>>>> something one can simply do without. > >>>>>>> Show me some real evidence and I'll think about belief. Although > >>>>>>> actual > >>>>>>> evidence would of course remove the need for belief in the first > >>>>>>> place... > >>>>>> That's the whole point. Belief is a state of mind that has utility. > >>>>>> Its > >>>>>> a little bit of Wise-ardry. Headology. > >>>>>> Wise-ards understand that believing in something is an action, not > >>>>>> a > >>>>>> statement about its existence, or lack thereof. > >>>>>>> Wendy- Hide quoted text - > >>>>> Well, what atheists do not like to discuss is Jesus Christ. > >>>> Yu seem to know more about what Atheists do and don't do than Jesus. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > >>> I know a lot about atheists, but not as much as Jesus Christ knows. > >>> He was the one who created atheists. > >>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > >>> - Show quoted text - > >> So, if Jesus Christ created atheists, and Jesus Christ was perfect, he > >> could not create imperfection. Hence, atheists are perfect. Sounds > >> OK to me.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, Jesus Christ would be the one to tell your idea. ?He is the one > > who is going to judge the earth. > > ------------------------------------- > > You keep saying this and talk about 'end times', but have never told us > > what > > date it will happen. > > You claim to have a 'direct line' to this JC character, so tell us what > > he > > says. > > He *is* kinda tardy to the party. I bet he brings some kick-ass wine > though!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - The day and hour no man knoweth, no, not the angels in heaven. ------------------------------------------- So it could be tomorrow, in a million years time, or never. Accuracy was never the bible's strongpoint, was it? Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
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X-Google-Thread: 10b271,d932fee6d9806ab9 X-Google-Thread: 102f53,dac8026861d35fee X-Google-Thread: f442a,d932fee6d9806ab9 X-Google-Thread: 116469,d932fee6d9806ab9 X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,gid102f53,gidf442a,gid116469,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!news.wiretrip.org!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!transit4.hitnews.eu!eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams!news.ams.newshosting.com!npeersf01.ams!newsfe10.ams2.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism References: <48581d68$1@clear.net.nz> <884e5992-7364-40c6-9d03-4c22aafd215b@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <y8D8k.63141$7m7.42046@newsfe30.ams2> <74e6eff8-410e-4b2d-a0e6-02502e5a0cbe@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <df084d52-af14-46d7-8007-73d87d68d111@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <7a37fe43-f010-4321-9a28-9734acbe5652@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> <Pine.SOL.3.96.1080626134221.14285B-100000@libra.cus.cam.ac.uk> <1214510991.14617.0@proxy02.news.clara.net> <80806b1c-5918-4555-89e2-e47c3987a1b6@w34g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <1214551962.1522.2@proxy01.news.clara.net> <fbc9a990-d5e8-4450-a03b-a3d1cdf6bed3@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <547e467d-b45a-42b9-9e5a-41fc119614bf@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <065060a2-b02e-4232-84f0-e35b7411dcd2@h1g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <KhA9k.27904$AH5.16622@newsfe09.ams2> <4867393b$1@clear.net.nz> <e9047a34-efb7-4c97-bee2-b6347b86f5f4@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? Lines: 104 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080629-0, 29/06/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Message-ID: <hnY9k.84541$8H5.8460@newsfe10.ams2> NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.20.115.204 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe10.ams2 1214796365 82.20.115.204 (Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:26:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:26:05 EDT Organization: virginmedia.com Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:25:50 +0100