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Article #14278Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:24
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:24
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On Jun 29, 2:10 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 27, 9:05 am, mizlee <miz...@aol.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 27, 8:49 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >>> On Jun 27, 12:31 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jun 26, 1:09�pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: > >>>>>> W.A. Sawford wrote: > >>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 5:05� am, RobertL <robertml...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Jun 26, 4:48� am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 7:27�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Well, if no one proved it, then it was not proven. � All you have done > >>>>>>>> is to say it was proven without showing any proof or anyone who is > >>>>>>>> suppsed to have done it. �Atheists have said they have proven all > >>>>>>>> manner of things. �Almost always it turns out to be something some > >>>>>>>> individual atheist put together that sounds good to other atheists. > >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>>> I wasn't going to get involved in all this (unless it's Friday, which it > >>>>>>> isn't) but I can't stand it any longer (sigh). > >>>>>>> 'Atheists have said they have proven all manner of things.' > >>>>>>> Well, what exactly have they claimed to have proved, and which atheists > >>>>>>> have claimed it? �Atheists don't actually need to 'prove' anything, > >>>>>>> because there is not a shred of evidence that god exists in the first > >>>>>>> place. The onus is not on atheists to prove the non-existence of god any > >>>>>>> more than the non-existence of the ravening bug-blatter beast of Traal. > >>>>>> Completely wrong. The concept of God is not a scientific hypotheis, nor > >>>>>> a fact. > >>>>>> So it can't be proven or disproven. > >>>>>> Its simply a shorthand for 'all the wide and wonderful stuff we cant get > >>>>>> a handle on; and feel scared by' more or less. > >>>>>> Atheism isn't so much denying His existence, nor yet keeping and open > >>>>>> mind on the subject (agnostic) its merely sidestepping the whole mess as > >>>>>> something one can simply do without. > >>>>>>> Show me some real evidence and I'll think about belief. Although actual > >>>>>>> evidence would of course remove the need for belief in the first place... > >>>>>> That's the whole point. Belief is a state of mind that has utility. Its > >>>>>> a little bit of Wise-ardry. Headology. > >>>>>> Wise-ards understand that believing in something is an action, not a > >>>>>> statement about its existence, or lack thereof. > >>>>>>> Wendy- Hide quoted text - > >>>>> Well, what atheists do not like to discuss is Jesus Christ. > >>>> Yu seem to know more about what Atheists do and don't do than Jesus. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > >>> I know a lot about atheists, but not as much as Jesus Christ knows. > >>> He was the one who created atheists. > >>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > >>> - Show quoted text - > >> So, if Jesus Christ created atheists, and Jesus Christ was perfect, he > >> could not create imperfection. Hence, atheists are perfect. Sounds > >> OK to me.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, Jesus Christ would be the one to tell your idea. He is the one > > who is going to judge the earth. > > Robert B. winn > > Science 'Dix points' > The Church :'Null points' > Jerr Springer: "How come you are aandinng the church Jesus. > Jesus": "cos that's full of people who thought they knew all the > snmawers. Scientists are the only ones who were humble enough to see > what I laid before them, and draw their own conclusions. The church > tauht that it had the Knowledge, I taught people how to take their own > path to Knowledge. Only science followed me.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - That is quite a fable. Robert B. Winn
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