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Article #14290Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: The Natural Philosopher
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:16
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:16
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rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 29, 1:56�pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> Well, they do now that I have brought up the subject of Hezekiah's >>> tunnel and the earthen ramp, which can both be seen today. �Before >>> that, they were saying there was nothing in the Bible that was not >>> mythology and nothing in the Bible that could be proven. �Atheists say >>> whatever they think will fly. �It just so happened that I knew about >>> Hezekiah's tunnel, so what they usually say was not sufficient for >>> this conversation. �So now they are saying that the Bible has some >>> history in it, but they are not happy about having to say that. �They >>> would rather be saying what they said when this conversation started, >>> that the Bible is nothing but mythology. >>> Robert B. Winn >> If you are as wrong about what is in the bible as you are about what >> people you have never apparently et think about it..God help you. ;-) > > I thought you said you did not believe in God. If he exists, unlike fairies, he doesn't need me to believe in him to stay in existence does he? I neither believe nor disbelieve: I merely find the concept wholly unecessary and unhelpful, so mostly I don't even think about it. My beliefes suh as they are, are nt matters of Faith. They are simple ad hoc assumptions about the nature of things, that allow me to oerate in a logical fashion. I.e. I take it for he case of rational analysis of the world, that it is not chaotic: I work on the basis of there being Natural Law. I see no need or helpfulness to introduce any element of intelligence in the human sense, or purpose in the humans sense, into the matter. Those are human qualities: there is no reason to suppose that the world as it really is (rather than as we perceive it) is in any way human like. Wht the Natural laws are, and whether that concept is ultimately valuable in the anslsysia, are not article of faith: they are open to question and re-evaluation at any time. > Robert B. Winn
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